Ornithology B/C

[Celeste]

I have had my clarification answered.

You may alter the book only in the following ways:
Written Notes
Drawings
Tabs

NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES!

I've read all of the posts, and the closest I found to answering my question was this. It still doesn't say whether we can write on post-its and then stick them into the field guide, and neither does any other post I found. I don't want to write in the field guide I have right now, because I'm borrowing it from someone, and others might have this problem if they get their guides from the library or something. I suppose I could just have a lot of "tabs" with notes that I could just stick on random pages...

You CAN NOT just add sheets of handwritten notes into your field guide. When Deeisenberg says NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES! that means you may ONLY write in the guide, draw in the guide, and tab the guide. You can not add sheets of paper or post it notes.

Thanks a lot for the clarification. I just didn't know what was encompassed under "Written Notes".

[Paradox21]

But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?

The word for word response I got to my rules clarification as to whether we can write on the tabs of the guide was, "Yes, but there will not be a lot of room to write on them, tabs are small,
not post it size."

[Flavorflav]

But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?

The word for word response I got to my rules clarification as to whether we can write on the tabs of the guide was, "Yes, but there will not be a lot of room to write on them, tabs are small,
not post it size."

Personally, I find that beyond absurd. What possible purpose is served by making the student write in the book itself, as opposed to on a post-it which can be removed - other than defacing the book, that is? Are they getting kickbacks from Peterson's or something?

I will be contacting the people running the regional to see if they will be enforcing this ridiculous rule there, and will do the same for the state competition.

[amerikestrel]

I will be contacting the people running the regional to see if they will be enforcing this ridiculous rule there, and will do the same for the state competition.

Wow, you're really dedicated. I don't really mind that rule; a two sided page of notes is enough for me.

Edit: I'd like to post a video on here, even though the link is also on the SO website. It's very interesting and meaningful.
http://www.stateofthebirds.org/

[twmurphso]

My state has a reduced bird list, but im not sure if itz allowed bcuz the rules say ur only allowed to bring in a copy of the National List. Does tat really matter?

[duckiegirl2]

Are you sure it's reduced?, because I don't think they can do that.

[duckiegirl2]

Also, Everyone, if you just look at the rules page, it has all of the qualifications on it.

*you didn't have to ask all these questions*

[Celeste]

Has anyone else noticed that on the national list, the New World Vultures are listed under Ciconiiformes? Ciconiiformes are things like Herons, Bitterns, Ibises, and Spoonbills, as in, things not like vultures.

[Flavorflav]

Has anyone else noticed that on the national list, the New World Vultures are listed under Ciconiiformes? Ciconiiformes are things like Herons, Bitterns, Ibises, and Spoonbills, as in, things not like vultures.

That was the most common classification from sometime in the 90's until quite recently, based on DNA studies showing that New World Vultures were closely related to storks. Some people have called those studies into question, however, and I believe most experts now put the New World Vultures in their own order Cathartiformes, although some have moved them back to the Falconiformes.

[Celeste]

Has anyone else noticed that on the national list, the New World Vultures are listed under Ciconiiformes? Ciconiiformes are things like Herons, Bitterns, Ibises, and Spoonbills, as in, things not like vultures.

That was the most common classification from sometime in the 90's until quite recently, based on DNA studies showing that New World Vultures were closely related to storks. Some people have called those studies into question, however, and I believe most experts now put the New World Vultures in their own order Cathartiformes, although some have moved them back to the Falconiformes.

Thanks, I was wondering why all my resources said something different! So if we have to say what order it's in on a test, we should probably go with what the national list says. Fascinating...

[sewforlife]

Are you sure it's reduced?, because I don't think they can do that.

it definitely says that is allowed.
"States may have a modified state or regional list"
can someone help me on this note: on wikipedia it says that the Common Pauraque doesn't nest, but on this: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Comm ... ifehistory
it says they nest on the ground.
if they do nest on the ground, does that mean they actually build a nest and leave it on the ground?
thanks

[soobsession]

meh...i wont trust wikipedia on everything if i were you.

and yeah, states are allowed to modify the list...just seems like our state is too lazy to

[Flavorflav]

Are you sure it's reduced?, because I don't think they can do that.

it definitely says that is allowed.
"States may have a modified state or regional list"
can someone help me on this note: on wikipedia it says that the Common Pauraque doesn't nest, but on this: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Comm ... ifehistory
it says they nest on the ground.
if they do nest on the ground, does that mean they actually build a nest and leave it on the ground?
thanks

Wiki says "no nest is made," which is not the same thing as not nesting. The website you linked to also says "no nest structure," so there is no contradiction. As in the vast majority of cases I have seen, Wikipedia is borne out by other authorities.

[twmurphso]

yea, i know the states are allowed to reduce the list, but are you allowed to bring in the reduced list?...the rules say only the national bird list is allowed.
My state's list is 3 pages (but still shortened), so i had room to write on the extra marginal space
Does the list you bring (Nat or State) matter?

[amerikestrel]

yea, i know the states are allowed to reduce the list, but are you allowed to bring in the reduced list?...the rules say only the national bird list is allowed.
My state's list is 3 pages (but still shortened), so i had room to write on the extra marginal space
Does the list you bring (Nat or State) matter?

I would expect that you would be able to bring the state list instead of the national one, despite what the rules say. But I would ask them for a clarification if I were you. You wouldn't want to be disqualified for a simple thing like that.