Tasks & Scoring
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Well, we had our regional tournament today, and our MP was somewhat successful. We used 9 tasks, a 5.8 gram sign, and touched the device once. Our final score was 1010, which was enough to get us second in our region.
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Congrats!illusionist wrote:Well, we had our regional tournament today, and our MP was somewhat successful. We used 9 tasks, a 5.8 gram sign, and touched the device once. Our final score was 1010, which was enough to get us second in our region.
I've noticed that (since Mission Possible is such an INCREDIBLY hard event) not many schools bother with MP. We had a ridiculously hard time coming up with a machine last year, but we showed up at Regionals and owned the competition! We got a perfect score, but our MP was one of two out of . . . I don't know, TEN, that actually did all of the tasks unassisted. Our area has Mission Possible, but one could hardly call it a competition. Last year one team showed up with a device that did two tasks.
Schools tend to avoid Mission Possible because it's too risky. I wish people would take the leap and try this event. It was the hardest SO event I've ever been in, but very rewarding.
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Thank you!
I agree, last year our school tried it, and it kinda failed. So they gave up on it at regionals. It is definitely at least worth trying. I mean what can you lose??
I agree, last year our school tried it, and it kinda failed. So they gave up on it at regionals. It is definitely at least worth trying. I mean what can you lose??
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I wanted some clarification on something our team was thinking. Instead of running 10 normal tasks, we would run 11 tasks, but have one of the tasks (most likely our simple machine task, the third class lever) not count toward our score, because it works so well, but we want to get the other high-scoring tasks.
Is this a construction violation for more tasks, even if we don't count it toward our score, and also don't mention as a official task in our TSL?
Is this a construction violation for more tasks, even if we don't count it toward our score, and also don't mention as a official task in our TSL?
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If you don't mention it in your TSL, and the task has something to do to cause the final task, I think it would be okay. For example, I have 3 instances of circular-to-linear, and as long as i don't mention them in the TSL, it is fine.
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Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
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If your touch "makes an adjustment that directly leads to completion of the task in the very next action," you also don't get points for the task. What constitutes directly is unclear, but most judges will not give you completion points for any task that you have to somehow touch.courage7856 wrote:Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
So, in your case, say you hit a switch to raise the blocks. Sure, it's not as direct as stacking the blocks yourself, but pressing the switch still led directly to stacking the blocks. You'd need to have another task listed in your TSL between your action and the blocks: you press one switch to get it started, task-that-is-listed-on-TSL-but-doesn't-count-for-points occurs, then your blocks get stacked.
At least, that's my experience with how Missions get scored.
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I say that touching the MP to initiate or help along a task after you already set the machine in motion earlier (i.e other autonomous tasks were completed but the machine got stuck) counts as a touch. You start the machine, then hands off. We didn't have any trouble with this last year. There was only one other team who could say the same, though (2nd place).Primate wrote:If your touch "makes an adjustment that directly leads to completion of the task in the very next action," you also don't get points for the task. What constitutes directly is unclear, but most judges will not give you completion points for any task that you have to somehow touch.courage7856 wrote:Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
So, in your case, say you hit a switch to raise the blocks. Sure, it's not as direct as stacking the blocks yourself, but pressing the switch still led directly to stacking the blocks. You'd need to have another task listed in your TSL between your action and the blocks: you press one switch to get it started, task-that-is-listed-on-TSL-but-doesn't-count-for-points occurs, then your blocks get stacked.
At least, that's my experience with how Missions get scored.
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Re: Tasks & Scoring
How do you guys think the following device would do at nationals and what are scores from other states finals?
We run all the 8 highest point tasks in 4-7 secs and sand timer runs for the rest of the time. We have a balloon that lifts 15ish grams and no violations and stuff.
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We run all the 8 highest point tasks in 4-7 secs and sand timer runs for the rest of the time. We have a balloon that lifts 15ish grams and no violations and stuff.
Thanks!
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Re: Tasks & Scoring
Reading the rules again I noticed the ideal time for state was 60-90 seconds. Does that mean that the judges may decide a time limit to set of their preference randomly within 60-90 seconds? At say for instance 75 seconds and anything over that would incur the one point penalty. Or does it mean that the ideal time is up to 90 seconds?
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