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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby wonderbread » March 3rd, 2012, 7:34 am

Is anyone making a piano?

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby zyzzyva980 » March 3rd, 2012, 2:32 pm

seraph_wings wrote:Hi - I'm new to the Sounds of Music thing, so forgive me if I'm being stupid. I'm an oboist, and I was thinking of rigging up a recorder with a reed, since that's what I know best. The thing is that an oboe reed is based on a staple, which I guess may or may not be permissible? Anyone know for sure? And if it isn't, any ideas on how I should switch it up?


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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » March 5th, 2012, 12:18 pm

Finally got a reply from Nationals for the clarification I sent in about Sounds! Here it is, if anyone else was wondering:

No, collapsible legs would not be an alteration to an instrument. Students
have 5 minutes to set up upon entering the room.

The original question is included for your records; there is no need to
respond unless you feel there is an error.
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

If students have collapsible legs on a instrument, and fold them up in order
to facilitate transportation through a doorway (with no changes to the rest
of the instrument), would this be considered an "alteration" to the
instrument under rule 3d?

Sounds of Music

(section: 3 / paragraph: d / sub-paragraph: / line: 1)


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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby hscmom » March 7th, 2012, 5:26 am

personasaurus rex wrote:
2000lby wrote:Question: using fret wire would be illegal, right?

probably. unless you would for some reason want to use it for something other than frets...


Just reading this now -- it's a thread I don't follow often.

Fret wire is illegal. My daughter made a really nice ukulele and used silver bezel (sp?) wire that was similar but not quite as mushroom-shaped in its cross section. After she's totally done competing with the uke, she'll put real tuning pegs on it (the case won't shut with the gears she has) but will leave the bezel wire because it totally works.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby hscmom » March 7th, 2012, 5:29 am

computergeek3 wrote:Does anyone know where to find a disc (9" diameter) of any (reasonably) malleable metal such as copper/aluminum etc. for a trombone? I have experimented with an aluminum cone, but that didn't work so well...


Are there sheet metal shops nearby? Last year, my daughter got put on Sumobot when a kid quit the team. A nearby sheet metal shop GAVE her the metal she needed -- as the pieces were "scrap" and too small for them to use.

Maybe a sheet metal shop can either give/sell you the metal or point you in the right direction. Look under "fabrication" in the phone book or ask the guy at Ace because (at least at my Ace) those Ace guys are often very well connected.

Copper will be quite expensive but very pretty!

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby hscmom » March 7th, 2012, 5:33 am

bloods wrote:Wait, does the melody part of st. anthony have to EXACTLY match the given part or can it (while including original notes) play chords or harmony in some parts?


I think the judges are expecting harmony or chords under the melody...

My daughter and her friend just competed in this and actually learned a clean, by the books St Anthony's and then they arranged one that was a lot more stylized (for lack of a better term). They practiced both and provided music for both and asked if it were okay to play the stylized version because that's what they liked to play (and it was more musical). The judges allowed it and that's what they played, but they were ready to play a very "straight" version.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Mr. Cool » March 16th, 2012, 2:03 pm

Can't wait to show up to Regionals with our shoddy instruments tomorrow! At least we actually have a treble and bass instrument this year, so we're guaranteed a better score. Haha.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby engineeringmaniac » March 20th, 2012, 10:57 am

I built a violin i am extremely proud of, but i havent put in a sound post as i cant get it without professional help which would be bothersome to say the least. I left the front plate a little thick (about 6 mm) and installed a solid 4-6 mm bass bar securly. Will i need a sound post? im not worried about acoustics, just structurally. Ive strung up the bottom three strings with only minor creeks (the bridge tilts but ill fix that) but im worried about the strain of the high tension e-string...
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » March 20th, 2012, 12:53 pm

With all 4 strings on and tightened to playing tension (assuming the violin is to scale and you're using average tension commercial strings), you have about 50 pounds of pressure trying to pull the ends of the violin together and at least 20 pounds pushing down on the bridge trying to snap the violin in half...well, how fond are you of this instrument?

Joking aside, there's a reason they tell you to always loosen all the strings immediately if the soundpost falls. Personally, i'd rather be safe than sorry, especially with something that you've spent so much time working on. If you really want the E, i'd put the soundpost in, since tension on the E is nearly the equivalent of two lower strings. Alternatively (and this in my opinion is the better solution), you could just forget the E, leave the three strings you have and shift up on the A for high notes - allowable range is only up to a G5 anyways and that's third position on the A. You still get full range points, you don't have to deal with the hassle of putting the soundpost in, and you don't have to worry about things breaking from too high tension (plus you avoid that metallic and shrill E-string sound).
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby engineeringmaniac » March 21st, 2012, 12:55 pm

I would definately not feel comfortable putting a 20lb weight on top of my violin. Ill put it on but leave it untightened for pure asthetics, although im not looking forward to playing in third position (i never particularly liked it) itll have to do. I dont want my violin to go the way of every bridge ive built for SO.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby personasaurus rex » March 21st, 2012, 5:36 pm

other than structural support, does anyone know if the sound post on a violin has an acoustic purpose?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby bloods » March 21st, 2012, 6:07 pm

personasaurus rex wrote:other than structural support, does anyone know if the sound post on a violin has an acoustic purpose?


I read somewhere that it makes the whole instrument vibrate at the same frequency or something...transmits vibrations...but it does have some sort of purpose. Maybe I should put one in my cello :/

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » March 21st, 2012, 6:21 pm

Yes, the soundpost helps amplify the sound by transmitting vibrations from the bridge to the back of the violin, which (along with the top of the instrument) then vibrates the air inside the body, making it louder than if just the strings were vibrating.

And you should definitely put a soundpost in a cello...string tension is even higher. (I once knocked over the soundpost in a friend's cello by attempting to straighten the bridge, and our immediate reaction - besides "oh ****" - was to loosen the strings all the way because we didn't want the string tension to break the top, even without the bridge in place.) If your cello's solid enough to hold the string tension without a soundpost, kudos to you, but it's probably better to be safe than sorry in this case.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Starapollo1 » March 21st, 2012, 8:33 pm

chalker wrote:
AlphaTauri wrote:Chalker, I realize that you guys at Nationals are probably buried under clarifications, but a fellow competitor and I sent in Sounds of Music clarifications about a month ago and neither of us have received answers. Both our questions were along the lines of "what exactly counts as alteration or disassembly of the instrument?", for example a two-part marimba where the two pieces are separately wheeled through the door but lined up next to each other to play, or one where folding legs are bent up a bit to fit it through a doorway.


I've seen those questions and provided my suggested answers. I suspect the delay is due to the fact that other members of the committee might have provided conflicting answers. Absent an official response, I'd suggest you err on the side of assuming the instrument needs to be the same configuration as it was prior to coming through the door.


Has there been an official rule clarification on this?
Here is my conundrum:
Our instrument is a PVC contraption that is in three main units (for transportation purposes) but are ‘connected’ via hinges at the bases once we get into the room (as a part of our 5 minute allowable assembly). Based on this, after the allowable assembly time they are connected. Is this acceptable? I just want peoples thoughts (specifically Chalker’s) lol
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby bloods » March 22nd, 2012, 5:15 pm

AlphaTauri wrote:Yes, the soundpost helps amplify the sound by transmitting vibrations from the bridge to the back of the violin, which (along with the top of the instrument) then vibrates the air inside the body, making it louder than if just the strings were vibrating.

And you should definitely put a soundpost in a cello...string tension is even higher. (I once knocked over the soundpost in a friend's cello by attempting to straighten the bridge, and our immediate reaction - besides "oh ****" - was to loosen the strings all the way because we didn't want the string tension to break the top, even without the bridge in place.) If your cello's solid enough to hold the string tension without a soundpost, kudos to you, but it's probably better to be safe than sorry in this case.


My cello is actually a cellotar (cello/guitar)--there is no real fingerboard, and there's just an aluminum piece at the top to hold the strings up far enough and a string catch at the bottom. There's no curvature so using a bow is impossible, but I use a pick made out of a credit card. But it's not very loud compared to my partner's instrument, so I might want a way to get a sound post in through the sound holes. It seems tricky; is there any simple way to do it?


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