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Re: States sending two teams

Posted: February 24th, 2012, 6:58 pm
by EpicFailOlympian
Hey everyone,

Just a quick question -- about when can we expect to know which states are sending two teams to nationals?
Im 99% sure MO is sending two teams from each division this year.
And 100% sure that Ladue and Pembroke Hill is going to win. :lol:

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: February 24th, 2012, 7:57 pm
by chalker
The final determination isn't made until early April usually. It's all based upon the # of teams registered in each state. Typically the top 12-13 states get to send 2 teams. And typically there are only a small handful of states 'on the bubble' in terms of whether or not they get to send 2 teams in a given year. The 'big registration' states almost always send 2, and the 'little registration' states almost always send 1. It's the ones in the middle that have around 50-80 teams per division that are the 'bubble' states.'

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: February 24th, 2012, 10:16 pm
by tornado guy
The final determination isn't made until early April usually. It's all based upon the # of teams registered in each state. Typically the top 12-13 states get to send 2 teams. And typically there are only a small handful of states 'on the bubble' in terms of whether or not they get to send 2 teams in a given year. The 'big registration' states almost always send 2, and the 'little registration' states almost always send 1. It's the ones in the middle that have around 50-80 teams per division that are the 'bubble' states.'
So is it the state or nationals that makes the decision for one or two teams? I would assume nationals, right?

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: February 25th, 2012, 5:32 am
by chalker

So is it the state or nationals that makes the decision for one or two teams? I would assume nationals, right?
Yes, the national office decides.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: February 26th, 2012, 11:29 am
by eta150
Usually PA, NY, MI, CA (North and South), OH, TX, IL, FL and a couple others send two.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: March 2nd, 2012, 9:36 am
by Frogger4907
The final determination isn't made until early April usually. It's all based upon the # of teams registered in each state. Typically the top 12-13 states get to send 2 teams. And typically there are only a small handful of states 'on the bubble' in terms of whether or not they get to send 2 teams in a given year. The 'big registration' states almost always send 2, and the 'little registration' states almost always send 1. It's the ones in the middle that have around 50-80 teams per division that are the 'bubble' states.'
Why wouldn't you just use the numbers from the previous year, instead of waiting to tell us until some of us have already had our state tournaments. That way we know all this as we start the year whether we get 2 or 1.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: March 2nd, 2012, 10:07 am
by chalker7
The final determination isn't made until early April usually. It's all based upon the # of teams registered in each state. Typically the top 12-13 states get to send 2 teams. And typically there are only a small handful of states 'on the bubble' in terms of whether or not they get to send 2 teams in a given year. The 'big registration' states almost always send 2, and the 'little registration' states almost always send 1. It's the ones in the middle that have around 50-80 teams per division that are the 'bubble' states.'
Why wouldn't you just use the numbers from the previous year, instead of waiting to tell us until some of us have already had our state tournaments. That way we know all this as we start the year whether we get 2 or 1.
Some states might grow or shrink by significant numbers each year and if two states flip-flop in size, it would be unfair to send two teams from a state that is now smaller than a different state.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: March 3rd, 2012, 6:05 pm
by foreverphysics
What are Minnesota's chances of sending 2 teams? I'm curious because they just had their state and they seem to be borderlining again.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: March 3rd, 2012, 6:29 pm
by Kokonilly
What are Minnesota's chances of sending 2 teams? I'm curious because they just had their state and they seem to be borderlining again.
The state director said 50/50. I don't know exact statistics and numbers of teams and such, but I think we're in a three-way tie.

Re: States sending two teams

Posted: March 5th, 2012, 2:15 pm
by Luo
Just today, soinc posted the Division B/C breakdown of last year's registration numbers at http://soinc.org/2012_national_tournament. The numbers you see are from 2011, but the page clarifies that they will be using 2012's numbers to determine which states get two teams this year. The page clearly states that "if your state received two invitations last year, there is no guarantee that will be the case this year." One thing that seems odd to me is that North Dakota got two Division C teams in 2011 but doesn't appear on that list. According to the paragraph at the bottom, this year's numbers will be released by approximately April 1st.

Apparently an ambassador team from Japan will be attending the Division C national tournament in addition to the 60 U.S. teams.