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Normally I've seen two to three minutes, although it can be more or less. I'm guessing anywhere from 1:30 to 3:30.

So, should I focus more on facts for my second page of notes?

How do you distinguish the difference between the pignut, shagbark, shellbark, etc. hickories?

Cjkowalcz wrote:So, should I focus more on facts for my second page of notes?

Your second page of notes... Hm. Is your first page a tree list? If not, you may want one.

Facts, I tend to write into my books with an ultra-fine sharpie/bic felt tipped pen directly on the pages, although you might want pencil for an Audubon so it doesn't bleed through the thin pages

For your other page you basically could have:
a) diagrams/pictures (wood, leaf, plant, root, etc.)
b) State trees
c) Vocabulary (go for words you aren't familiar with, hey, you never know!)
d) Anything else (navigational info if you don't tab, additional notes, trees not in your guides, etc.)

I'm being too lazy to pull out my guides and explain specific differences of the Juglandaceae family, so I'll do it sometime tomorrow. I could do it now, but I don't want to risk misinforming you from the information stored and jumbled up in my brain. Plus, I'm tired. Unless someone else informs you first, I'll have it up by the afternoon. PM and remind me if I forget

Thank you. Our first page is the Pennsylvania tree list and pictures of all of the families. So you just write facts about the trees write in your field guide? Clever

Isn't that cheating?! Because you could just put everything in your book and have unlimited notes?

Cjkowalcz wrote:Isn't that cheating?! Because you could just put everything in your book and have unlimited notes?

The rules says that you are allowed to annotate guides

computergeek3 wrote:

Cjkowalcz wrote:Isn't that cheating?! Because you could just put everything in your book and have unlimited notes?

The rules says that you are allowed to annotate guides

Does that mean you can paste diagrams on unneeded pages? Or is that going too far? I mean, this event is getting discontinued for me, but the requirements for Entomology are probably the same, no?

caseyotis wrote:

computergeek3 wrote:

Cjkowalcz wrote:Isn't that cheating?! Because you could just put everything in your book and have unlimited notes?

The rules says that you are allowed to annotate guides

Does that mean you can paste diagrams on unneeded pages? Or is that going too far? I mean, this event is getting discontinued for me, but the requirements for Entomology are probably the same, no?

The exact wording is "Each team may bring [stuff about the list]...and up to two commercially published resources that may be annotated and tabbed (limit 3 words). I believe we resolved an issue about this somewhere earlier in this thread, go check it out.

I'm just going to do the National List specified trees, since you weren't very specific about which trees you wanted.

Juglandaceae Tips (I bolded the most important things to remember)

Bitternut Hickory: symetrical leaflets (7-9 lanceshaped/narrowly elliptic); heart-shaped, flattened nut with a prominent point at tip; bright yellow terminal bud

Pignut Hickory: 5 or 7 (occastionally 3 or 9) leaflets (ovate, elliptic, or obovate); pear shaped nut

Pecan: 7-17 (normally 9-13 leaflets) that are lace shaped with a pointed tip; oblong, husk covered nut; vase-shaped tree

Shagbark Hickory: 5 (sometimes 3 or 7) leaflets that are broadly ovate, elliptic, or obovate with a pointed tip; husk covered nut (splitting into 4 parts); shaggy bark that peels of in 1-3'' stips

Butternut: 11-17 (sometimes 7 or 9) leaflets that are lance shaped to ovate with a pointed tip; oblong, ridged nut; leaf scar has hairy fringe

Black Walnut: 9-23 (usually 15-19) leaflets that are lance shaped to ovate; large round fruits without seams; often no terminal leaflet