Ongoing Contest(Scores)

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby ckssv07 » May 4th, 2013, 2:39 pm

So, I guess these are the top scores that have been seen so far in Division B (that are going to Nationals)

1. Daniel Wright- 2029
2. Shady Side- 1600
3. JC Booth? No official score, but a couple of months ago they were at 1450
4. Solon? No official score given, but >1400
5. Meads Mill- 1428
6. Lakeshore- 1360
7. Preston MS- 1330
8. Strath Haven- 1320
9. Winston Churchill- 1200

Does anyone have anything to add? Like ckssv07, I'm just trying to get a bearing of the competition at Nationals.
Also, it might help us if we knew if the competitions had a hand pour or an auto filler.
PA had a hand fill.

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby thsom » May 4th, 2013, 4:17 pm

IL had auto filler

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby ckssv07 » May 5th, 2013, 8:33 am

So, I guess these are the top scores that have been seen so far in Division B (that are going to Nationals)

1. Daniel Wright- 2029-auto
2. Shady Side- 1606-hand
3. JC Booth? No official score, but a couple of months ago they were at 1450
4. Solon? No official score given, but >1400
5. Meads Mill- 1428
6. Lakeshore- 1360
7. Preston MS- 1330
8. Strath Haven- 1320-hand
9. Winston Churchill- 1200-auto-I believe because they got a similar score at regionals on an auto fill i believe.

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby iwonder » May 5th, 2013, 8:58 am

So we had state yesterday... I think it was due to transport damage, but my boom had a tension member shear along a line about 30 degrees off of axial, it might've just been a bad grain that I didn't notice. Anyways, the 9.3g boom held 5kg for a score of something in the mid-600s and got 6th place. I'm kinda surprised at the placing, I expected way lower. It does suck coming off of a pervious score of 1250 though. I'm going to try and repair the break and load it again(it didn't break any other members...)
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby drifter601 » May 5th, 2013, 12:10 pm

IL had auto filler
what's auto filler?
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby ckssv07 » May 5th, 2013, 7:30 pm

IL had auto filler
what's auto filler?
It is when there is a container of sand, and then you pull a lever and the sand gets poured into the bucket, opposed to scooping from one bucket to another.

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby dholdgreve » May 6th, 2013, 7:50 am

There is probably a way to create a poll, but I have no idea how to do this, so, just out of curiosity, I'd really like to know which you guys prefer... auto-loader, where you can control the rate of flow with the lever, or hand loading it with a large cup
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby ckssv07 » May 6th, 2013, 8:18 am

There is probably a way to create a poll, but I have no idea how to do this, so, just out of curiosity, I'd really like to know which you guys prefer... auto-loader, where you can control the rate of flow with the lever, or hand loading it with a large cup
Auto, its much more reliable.

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby iwonder » May 6th, 2013, 10:05 am

Auto loader, it's more even and smooth.
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby Balsa Man » May 6th, 2013, 10:40 am

There is probably a way to create a poll, but I have no idea how to do this, so, just out of curiosity, I'd really like to know which you guys prefer... auto-loader, where you can control the rate of flow with the lever, or hand loading it with a large cup
Auto loader, for sure.
Evenness, smoothness- very important. Not only is the flow/the addition of load smooth and steady, as opposed to in increments/bumps, the potential for bumping the bucket/handle and causing swing, every time you add a scoop, is eliminated. Using a scoop also makes it harder for the person steadying the bucket to do their job, because they have to stay out of the way of the scooper.
Even more important than this, especially if you're running a .....competitive structure is TIME. If you're pushing a structure to where its going to break, you want to get the load on as fast as you (steadily) can. Once its up near its limit, time is your enemy; if anything is starting to deflect, given time, it will....likely progress to failure. Because there is a stream/volume of sand/increment of weight.....in transit, from the mouth of the spout, to the top of the sand pile in the bucket, even instantly releasing the pour lever, you get a bit more sand/a few more points. The extra time it takes with a scoop as you get to the bottom of the supply bucket, to get those last few scoops out, and into the load bucket happens at the worst possible time- while the structure is heavily loaded, and if designed right, right on the verge of failure. Good example in what happened to us at State. Our Team 2 loader did it just right; eased it open to get a bit of "settling" weight in, quick but steady opening to full flow; loading done in about 10 seconds. Applause, high-fiving, smiles, and about 5-6 seconds after the last sand went in, POW; it broke. Our Team 1 loader....forgot that part of the coaching; took over a minute to get to 10k, and it broke shortly thereafter; boom was 2 gr lighter. I firmly believe had it gotten a 10 second load, it would have beaten Team 2
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby drifter601 » May 6th, 2013, 6:43 pm

IL had auto filler
what's auto filler?
It is when there is a container of sand, and then you pull a lever and the sand gets poured into the bucket, opposed to scooping from one bucket to another.
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby drifter601 » May 6th, 2013, 6:54 pm

Yes, auto fillers are MUCH more beneficial. Although, I've been scared every time at nats for using one because it's a different method and style the weight is poured on than what I've been doing the whole year. But in the end, I believe auto fillers yield better results.
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby ckssv07 » May 7th, 2013, 10:26 am

I have tested a lot, and on average, hand scoop yields about 70% the score of an auto.

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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby Balsa Man » May 7th, 2013, 11:11 am

I have tested a lot, and on average, hand scoop yields about 70% the score of an auto.
That number sounds quite reasonable.
Thanks for sharing the data.
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Re: Ongoing Contest(Scores)

Postby havenguy » May 7th, 2013, 11:26 am

I have tested a lot, and on average, hand scoop yields about 70% the score of an auto.
That number sounds quite reasonable.
Thanks for sharing the data.
I agree. I have a hand scooper, and the boomilever typically breaks right when I begin pouring faster, dumping as much sand in as I can at a reasonable pace.

An unrelated question: do you have to use the washer? I just wanted to make sure, because my loading block does not fit a 3/4" Outer Diameter washer.
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