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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby syo_astro » April 29th, 2013, 7:57 pm

Fair enough, I just was trying to say it wasn't 4-5 teams >.>. I guess I'll let you carry on whatever other PA discussions there are (though, that whole multiple teams thing whether it be at nats or not or whatever has been discussed so many times...I know casey said it but oh so many times still....). I also wasn't saying that if other states had multiple teams they wouldn't be as big as NYS (on the contrary I already agree with that fully).
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » April 29th, 2013, 8:22 pm

I'd like to say that unless NSO implements wild card tournaments like this or something similar, states should not start sending 3 teams. It's hard enough trying to figure out the cutoff between 2 and 1; once you add 3 in there, there will be questions about the methodology all over the place.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby isaysroar » April 30th, 2013, 11:11 am

Oh my god...not this argument. There is no such thing as specific states being more competitive as others. In my opinion, even though NY has much more teams, they only have this record due to the amount of teams being registered. Also, on the other hand for PA, we don't have much luck gathering as many competitors for Science Olympiad, but is lucky enough to have many schools participating in Science Olympiad. Everyone has the capability and potential to do well and medal, but some people just work harder ;)
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby caseyotis » April 30th, 2013, 4:36 pm

EASTstroudsburg13 wrote:I'd like to say that unless NSO implements wild card tournaments like this or something similar, states should not start sending 3 teams. It's hard enough trying to figure out the cutoff between 2 and 1; once you add 3 in there, there will be questions about the methodology all over the place.


This is all I said. I didn't want to start the whole debate over who's more competitive. I just think that there should be some wild card competitions for those who almost made it (let's say, [2nd]/3rd/4th would qualify to compete there, and then a state could send three teams but one of them would be a wild card team so it wouldn't really count).

This argument is pointless and never solves anything, so don't start it, right? ._.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby syo_astro » April 30th, 2013, 4:39 pm

Just to say, no worries, there isn't really much of a debate here at least to what I see...so yeah, just don't think there is one, and it'll all be good! Just move on with other conversations >.>.
Edit: Also, sorry if I contributed to anything that seemed like a debate/bad feelings/etc (feel like I should say sorry if that was done considering I'm an outsider ;) ).
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby caseyotis » May 1st, 2013, 12:22 pm

I'm an outsider too; maybe we should stay out of this. .-.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby isaysroar » May 1st, 2013, 3:19 pm

Mmmm...I just got really confused. But now finally understanding this situation...Wouldn't a wildcard be nice. It should be a wild card for the top 10 teams though.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » May 1st, 2013, 4:42 pm

I don't know if a wild card for the top 10 is a good idea. That makes it a little too easy for teams to qualify for the wild card. In Pennsylvania, if such a tournament were implemented, I would say that 3-4 teams would go on, which gives the teams that have a realistic chance of competing for the wild card spot that chance. The top 2 would still automatically qualify.

I would like to say that Stroudsburg Junior High was very impressive this year, going from 5th at regionals to 3rd at states. It'll be interesting to see if they can carry over this success to next year, and possibly score below 200 at states. Either that or another school may come up and take their place, maybe Bala Cynwyd if they can return to the levels of past years. Either way, it marks the best Stroudsburg has done since their run at nationals ended in 2006.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby caseyotis » May 1st, 2013, 5:58 pm

No, top ten is too much. Like I said earlier, the top 2-3/3-4 teams could qualify for a local wild card tournament where the top two qualify... Or something like that.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby ReBobville » May 1st, 2013, 6:47 pm

Personally, I like the current qualification system for nationals. Yes, for teams like conestoga this year, it can seem very cruel. However, I think that nationals currently has the perfect number of teams (per division), and each state has to have at least one spot. Also, I personally enjoy the close races for the top two spots at states! I think it makes the tournament all the more exciting.

P.S Great State tournament this year! I thought that it was very well run and was impressed by how fast the awards ceremony ran. Also, the test for remote sensing was really good and interesting to take for 50min.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby Cjkowalcz » May 2nd, 2013, 2:43 pm

No! My final Science Olympiad practice until next year is Monday. We are having a party!! I probably wont be on the forums much over the summer :cry:. I will hopefully see you Division B. Water Quality, Experimental Design, and Write It Do It people next year! :D
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby manutd94 » May 2nd, 2013, 3:33 pm

The 2013 PA States Remote Sensing Exam has been posted on the test exchange. One thing to note is that the image sheet should be read from bottom to top - sorry about that format. There are image labels there to make it clear. Hope everyone liked the exam at states and best of luck to those competing at nationals! Feedback would be great, if possible. :)
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby Cjkowalcz » May 7th, 2013, 3:19 pm

Who plan's on doing entomology next year (even though it is tentative).
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby havenguy » May 7th, 2013, 5:45 pm

Cjkowalcz wrote:Who plan's on doing entomology next year (even though it is tentative).


YES. Although it would be for C-Div.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2013

Postby 49ers » May 8th, 2013, 12:36 pm

JCicc wrote:Thank you for some very nice comments regarding the PA 2013 Astronomy exam. Watch for it on the test exchange, it will be up soon (several of my old exams are also up there). I thought maybe this was a good time to talk a little about my philosophy when it comes to supervising events; astronomy in particular, as I have supervised this event about 15 times (between the PA Southeast region and the state tournament).

When I write an exam for a Science Olympiad event, I am not interested on bolstering anyone's self-esteem. I don't need to have the scores match some preconceived idea of the "proper" distribution. What I do need is to be able to differentiate 35 or 36 teams beyond any doubt. So my exams are typically too long, too hard, and virtually impossible to score 100% on in a 50 minute time period. Any veterans of my exams can tell you that the scores don't tell me anything in and of themselves other than which team is the best, which team is 2nd best, and so on down the line. I submit that these exams do just that.

Let's be totally frank. Some teams, even at the state level, come into the room with no resources at all. Those teams do not have a prayer. In my estimation, the team that wins should be the team that prepares the best, does the most in-depth research, goes deeply into the content (for example, into subclasses of Type II supernovae and their progenitor stars), and gets contributions from both members of the team. The teams that receive medals will fit these categories.

At any rate, I would like to hear feedback from anyone who took the actual test at states this year (or any other year, for that matter), or anyone who gets a look at it on the test exchange. It has been suggested that perhaps I should put some more questions on the test that are "easy," specifically because sometimes there are scores in the single digits (out of 100 for most exams). I don't like to see scores like that, but to me that just means a team did not prepare for the event at all. Even if you restrict yourself to the object list and spend a day looking up material on each one, you should be able to do well on the first third of the test by putting in a solid two weeks of research time.

I know that my exams are hard. I put a lot of time and effort into making each one, and administering the state astronomy exam is something I look forward to each year. I'll be doing it into the foreseeable future, as far as I can tell at this point. One more thing - typically, the PA representatives at nationals tend to do well in astronomy. One year (I think it was 2005), the PA teams came in 1st and 2nd at nationals, and I will never forget Dr. Putz saying "they must be doing something right in Pennsylvania, because the gold medal is ALSO from the state of Pennsylvania."



I was grateful to that it was so difficult because it meant that all my preparation was actually worth it. An 8th place at States isn't too bad... I look forward to the test at states next year, andhope to improve upon my score from this year. competitors really earned scores in the single digits?


And for all of my hard work in WQ and Forensics, I got 20th and 17thish.... Plus, Remote Sensing was 6th.
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