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Re: Texas 2013

Postby sofan » May 12th, 2013, 3:54 pm

jacobxc wrote:For anyone who is looking for donations from organizations. Look and see if you area, town, or cities has a rotary club. They gave us and Riverwood a combined total of I think $1200 so I think that would help you all.

It may be easy for you since yall have gotten high achevements but for others it may be hard.
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2013 galveston regionals:
rotor: 3rd
pic: 2nd(Texas event)
overall:3rd
2013 state:
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby jacobxc » May 14th, 2013, 1:40 pm

sofan wrote:
jacobxc wrote:For anyone who is looking for donations from organizations. Look and see if you area, town, or cities has a rotary club. They gave us and Riverwood a combined total of I think $1200 so I think that would help you all.

It may be easy for you since yall have gotten high achevements but for others it may be hard.

Well I'm not saying they well be like Science Olympiad here's $2000 you have to apply for it. In fact me and some of my team member have to make a presentation to show the we are a good organization to donate to now and in the future. We actually got more than Riverwood And this is their fourth year going to national and kingwood has never gone.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby patil215 » May 18th, 2013, 9:16 pm

Looks like Seven Lakes came in 6th and Clements in 30th at nationals.
I'm not surprised Clements finished in the lesser half, considering they substituted many of their national events for Texas state events at the state tournament.
This only reinforces my belief that Texas events shouldn't be offered at the state tournament. The goal of the state tournament is to pick the most nationally competitive teams to represent Texas. Offering Texas events completely goes against this idea, especially considering that nationals is only two weeks away from state, meaning that there really isn't any time afterwards to improve on national events you do badly in. Teams that win by substituting events can go on to poorly represent Texas at nationals.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby Angstrom » May 19th, 2013, 7:50 am

patil215 wrote:Looks like Seven Lakes came in 6th and Clements in 30th at nationals.
I'm not surprised Clements did so poorly, considering they substituted many of their national events for Texas state events at the state tournament.
This only reinforces my belief that Texas events shouldn't be offered at the state tournament. The goal of the state tournament is to pick the most nationally competitive teams to represent Texas. Offering Texas events completely goes against this idea, especially considering that nationals is only two weeks away from state, meaning that there really isn't any time afterwards to improve on national events you do badly in. Teams that win by substituting events such as Clements go on to do terribly and poorly represent Texas at nationals.


Cut them a little slack, it was their first time at Nationals. And by "a little slack" I mean "all of the slack". What were the events they dropped at State? Glider, Robot, Remote, Rocks, WIDI. How did they do in them at Nationals? 26, 38, 18, 42, 40. Multiply that sum by 23/5 and you get a score that would have put them ... 37th. As opposed to 30th. Does it make that much of a difference? No.

The reason they didn't do as well as might have been expected is because Nationals is different from State. Not just in terms of events, but in terms of testing style. In terms of atmosphere. In terms of basically everything. Clements has never done it. I'm sure if they go to Nationals next year, they'll do better.

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Re: Texas 2013

Postby Angstrom » May 19th, 2013, 7:55 am

By the way, CONGRATULATIONS TO SEVEN LAKES FOR HAVING THE BEST NATIONAL FINISH OUT OF TEXAS EVER.

I think this is cause for a lot of praise.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby iwonder » May 19th, 2013, 8:57 am

Angstrom wrote:I don't know who you are, but if you're from LASA, I will find you and slap you.


LOL. LASA still did really well, you guys beat us by a lot :P just all the more reason to work harder next year!
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby patil215 » May 19th, 2013, 10:40 am

I'd like to apologize for what I posted above. I dislike the idea of Texas events, and I used Clements' results to try to push my own opinion. I realize I did not take into account that this was the first time Clements attended nationals, how nationals is quite different from state, and that what I said may have been hurtful to some.
Again, I made it seem like I was mad or upset at Clements... I'm really not. It's not fair to be irritated anyways; Clements didn't break any rules, and it was the choice of the teams if they wanted to take advantage of the opportunity. I'm also sure that they would have done really well anyways without substituting events.
I think it's awesome how Clements was able to pull off a first place win at state this year from third last year, with a point total 1/3 last year's.
Here's to a fun, competitive, awesome scio next year!

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Re: Texas 2013

Postby GeoChamp96 » May 19th, 2013, 11:16 am

Clements has actually been to Nationals twice before this year, in 2007 and 2008. They got 32nd in 2007 and 31st in 2008. I guess it figures they'd get 30th this year.

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Re: Texas 2013

Postby harryk » May 19th, 2013, 5:56 pm

Angstrom wrote:The reason they didn't do as well as might have been expected is because Nationals is different from State. Not just in terms of events, but in terms of testing style. In terms of atmosphere. In terms of basically everything. Clements has never done it. I'm sure if they go to Nationals next year, they'll do better.

This is very true. Plus the excitement of going to nationals for the first time can be very distracting to focusing on the actual competition. It takes time for any team to perform well at Nats. It took LASA four years to just get in the top twenty. Seven Lakes has actually improved their performance very quickly to place 6th in just three years.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby 2win » May 20th, 2013, 11:06 am

YEAAAAAAAA CONGRATULATIONS TO SEVEN LAKES!!!! REPPIN KT,TX and well TEXAS IN GENERAL!

Yeah but considering they're fed by Beckendorff, it's not surprising that it didn't take long for them to advance that much.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby sofan » May 20th, 2013, 4:11 pm

harryk wrote: Plus the excitement of going to nationals for the first time can be very distracting to focusing on the actual competition.

agreed. First time i went to state, i was distracted for some time. Even though it wasnt nats
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2013 galveston regionals:
rotor: 3rd
pic: 2nd(Texas event)
overall:3rd
2013 state:
rotor:4th
overall: 12th :I

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Re: Texas 2013

Postby sofan » May 29th, 2013, 4:16 pm

when do they announce the trial events for next year?
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2013 galveston regionals:
rotor: 3rd
pic: 2nd(Texas event)
overall:3rd
2013 state:
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overall: 12th :I

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Re: Texas 2013

Postby iwonder » May 29th, 2013, 5:37 pm

Not till next september or probably later.
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby jlee7x2 » May 30th, 2013, 11:38 pm

Any likelihood of Storm the Castle coming back as a repeat Texas trial event? (As WGYN was repeated these past years) What do they actually base picking trial events on? (arbitrary?)

Do you think they'd actually get rid of trial events because of how they affected the Texas results and ultimately Texas placement at nats this year? I, for one, believe that, given a set of parameters, a team should aim for the most prudent strategy, considering all factors and predicting outcomes. Whether or not the factors are the best for the state is up to what the state coordinators decide; to allow dominating teams to widen the gap between newer teams with landslide victories vs. a more competitive scene in Texas that could cultivate the next amazing team (much like a Seven Lakes). In its first year going to nationals, Seven Lakes substituted 3 nationals events with State events; they played to their strengths and medaled in all of them. They went onto become a powerhouse in future years and ultimately placed the highest Texas has ever placed at nationals (6th) in its 3rd year there. Perhaps our state coordinators have exceptional foresight and deem trial events a way of leveling the playing field for the vast number of teams in Texas as a sort of investment in future results :) . It is an interesting discussion.

Also, any word on how conclusive the "tentative events" actually are; like when is that final final?

Pardon my enthusiasm as I've been trapped on a SciOly frequency and am probably experiencing what Luo calls "PSOD" (Post SciOly Depression). :P
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Re: Texas 2013

Postby Mimsie » May 31st, 2013, 1:10 am

jlee7x2 wrote:Any likelihood of Storm the Castle coming back as a repeat Texas trial event? (As WGYN was repeated these past years) What do they actually base picking trial events on? (arbitrary?)

Do you think they'd actually get rid of trial events because of how they affected the Texas results and ultimately Texas placement at nats this year? I, for one, believe that, given a set of parameters, a team should aim for the most prudent strategy, considering all factors and predicting outcomes. Whether or not the factors are the best for the state is up to what the state coordinators decide; to allow dominating teams to widen the gap between newer teams with landslide victories vs. a more competitive scene in Texas that could cultivate the next amazing team (much like a Seven Lakes). In its first year going to nationals, Seven Lakes substituted 3 nationals events with State events; they played to their strengths and medaled in all of them. They went onto become a powerhouse in future years and ultimately placed the highest Texas has ever placed at nationals (6th) in its 3rd year there. Perhaps our state coordinators have exceptional foresight and deem trial events a way of leveling the playing field for the vast number of teams in Texas as a sort of investment in future results :) . It is an interesting discussion.

Also, any word on how conclusive the "tentative events" actually are; like when is that final final?

Pardon my enthusiasm as I've been trapped on a SciOly frequency and am probably experiencing what Luo calls "PSOD" (Post SciOly Depression). :P


As a grad of SLSO, it's extremely humbling to know that other people have taken notice of the team I was on. When I was part of the student leadership (informally), my coach and I discussed that we would rather do events that got us to Nats and then study like hell for Nats when we got there. Ultimately, guidance from more experienced coaches at other schools convinced us to drop those events in favor of national events because we wanted to be competitive there, too. If it were up to me, I would have remained a cheapskate forever and done the state trial events. I do love me some Picture This.

A hint...

- Few schools do NEW building events (Ex. When Sound of Music was new, we fulfilled the bare minimum on the rubric (We wanted to do better...... but ah....) and got like 5th).
- Few schools do DIFFICULT events at State. (Ex. We got 11th with an empty box at State once in Mission Possible.....................)
- You want to strategize in event selection? Don't do things where you're weak in (We weren't very good at Write it, Do it... Notice how often it was dropped).

I think if more schools did this, then the state competition could have some interesting results in the future. ;)

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