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Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 21st, 2013, 6:52 pm
by Sciolapedia
getting 11th by a point really sucks :twisted:

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 21st, 2013, 8:19 pm
by sp3
Sciolapedia wrote:getting 11th by a point really sucks :twisted:

Surprised your school out of top ten at nationals, after winning WSU Invitational in Jan. (beating Solon, DW, and MM).

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 21st, 2013, 8:33 pm
by tornado guy
Sciolapedia wrote:getting 11th by a point really sucks :twisted:


Trust me Shady Side. I know EXACTLY how you guys feel. Last year we got 11th and missed 10th by two points because I goofed in WQ.. But hey, 11th place in the nation is still something to brag about ;)

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 4:09 am
by ckssv07
sp3 wrote:
Sciolapedia wrote:getting 11th by a point really sucks :twisted:

Surprised your school out of top ten at nationals, after winning WSU Invitational in Jan. (beating Solon, DW, and MM).

It is because i really messed up my second event, so I couldnt focus on my other events the rest of the day, so I messed up thise too.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 4:20 am
by EastStroudsburg13
No, no. Stop.

Repeat after me:

Science Olympiad is a team competition.

Keep doing that until you feel better.

Why blame yourself when there are so many other factors involved? One person is never, and I repeat never, fully responsible for a team's placing.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 8:07 am
by ckssv07
EASTstroudsburg13 wrote:No, no. Stop.

Repeat after me:

Science Olympiad is a team competition.

Keep doing that until you feel better.

Why blame yourself when there are so many other factors involved? One person is never, and I repeat never, fully responsible for a team's placing.

I know but I racked up 170 of my teams 400 points, so it is possible to blame on me.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 10:07 am
by EastStroudsburg13
Hey. What did I just say?

Did you have partners in those events?

That's not even 50% of your score. Don't beat yourself up about it because there's no point. Just use it as a learning experience to do even better in the future. :)

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 10:33 am
by u287772
Daniel Wright (DW) beat Solon in all conventional metrics:

Total Medals - DW: 14 vs Solon: 13
Gold Medals - DW: 6 vs Solon: 2
Gold/Silver/Bronze - DW: 9 vs Solon: 7
Top 10 Events - DW: 17 vs Solon: 16

However, Solon beat DW a mere 5 points in this category, which determined the final outcome:

Points in 3 weakest events - DW: 60 (24,18,18) vs Solon: 53 (20,17,16)

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 11:00 am
by Jdogg
ckssv07 wrote:
EASTstroudsburg13 wrote:No, no. Stop.

Repeat after me:

Science Olympiad is a team competition.

Keep doing that until you feel better.

Why blame yourself when there are so many other factors involved? One person is never, and I repeat never, fully responsible for a team's placing.

I know but I racked up 170 of my teams 400 points, so it is possible to blame on me.


Hey, last year I racked up a lot of points in both my events at nats. I averaged 20th in both, (still had that scoring error in robot...) but still I ended up costing our team 41 points in just two events.. out of the team total of 314. If you work hard, you can do well. I sort of got ahead of myself after 1st in both my events at states. Then i get 20th and BR ends up getting first in grav, but the moral of this long overly drawn out conversation is that anything can happen. Work hard next year and just put everything you have into scioly. It paid of for me, I'm just so happy that i didn't end up quitting science olympiad last year (cause I was seriously thinking of it after all that happened at the national tournament..). Then this year I was really able to "wow" the crowd with some of my stuff, which in the end is just pure hard work and lots of time.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 1:47 pm
by kentuckyfan1001
u287772 wrote:Daniel Wright (DW) beat Solon in all conventional metrics:

Total Medals - DW: 14 vs Solon: 13
Gold Medals - DW: 6 vs Solon: 2
Gold/Silver/Bronze - DW: 9 vs Solon: 7
Top 10 Events - DW: 17 vs Solon: 16

However, Solon beat DW a mere 5 points in this category, which determined the final outcome:

Points in 3 weakest events - DW: 60 (24,18,18) vs Solon: 53 (20,17,16)


This is exactly why everyone thought Solon Middle was going to lose (and to an extent, Solon High as well). I guess it really shows that it's always about the non-placings in events.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 1:58 pm
by pjgscioisamazing
kentuckyfan1001 wrote:
u287772 wrote:Daniel Wright (DW) beat Solon in all conventional metrics:

Total Medals - DW: 14 vs Solon: 13
Gold Medals - DW: 6 vs Solon: 2
Gold/Silver/Bronze - DW: 9 vs Solon: 7
Top 10 Events - DW: 17 vs Solon: 16

However, Solon beat DW a mere 5 points in this category, which determined the final outcome:

Points in 3 weakest events - DW: 60 (24,18,18) vs Solon: 53 (20,17,16)


This is exactly why everyone thought Solon Middle was going to lose (and to an extent, Solon High as well). I guess it really shows that it's always about the non-placings in events.


Completely. It's not about how good your best was, it's about how good your worst was.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 22nd, 2013, 3:10 pm
by sp3
pjgscioisamazing wrote:
kentuckyfan1001 wrote:
u287772 wrote:Daniel Wright (DW) beat Solon in all conventional metrics:

Total Medals - DW: 14 vs Solon: 13
Gold Medals - DW: 6 vs Solon: 2
Gold/Silver/Bronze - DW: 9 vs Solon: 7
Top 10 Events - DW: 17 vs Solon: 16

However, Solon beat DW a mere 5 points in this category, which determined the final outcome:

Points in 3 weakest events - DW: 60 (24,18,18) vs Solon: 53 (20,17,16)


This is exactly why everyone thought Solon Middle was going to lose (and to an extent, Solon High as well). I guess it really shows that it's always about the non-placings in events.


Completely. It's not about how good your best was, it's about how good your worst was.


Exactly. It becomes teams' weak events competition due to equally weighted scoring system. What if using a weighted score system?

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 27th, 2013, 3:44 pm
by Sciolapedia
I didn't do that well in my events either. I hate blaming it on things, but Im pretty sure I didn't do as well because both of my events were stations and I absolutely FAIL at stations. The time restriction and the fact that you can't double check really hurts me since I 'm the type that makes a billion stupid errors. Hopefully, if we make it next year, it won't be dumb stations.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 27th, 2013, 5:41 pm
by retired1
It is all ready weighted. All events are equal, just as it should be. It is not doing great in 10 - 15 events and not so good in the rest that wins. All teams have the same chance. You weight it and it skews the whole event to favor the elite.

Top 10 B and top 10 C-19 teams were at nationals last year. Experience definitely seriously helps.

Re: Unofficial Rankings, Division B

Posted: May 28th, 2013, 8:54 am
by mrburrito
retired1 wrote:It is all ready weighted. All events are equal, just as it should be. It is not doing great in 10 - 15 events and not so good in the rest that wins. All teams have the same chance. You weight it and it skews the whole event to favor the elite.

Top 10 B and top 10 C-19 teams were at nationals last year. Experience definitely seriously helps.


Mentor Memorial wasn't there, but you're absolutely right that experience helps.