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Postby kentuckyfan1001 » April 3rd, 2013, 1:43 pm

If there was any university the Science Olympiad national tournament could be held at, where would choose and why?

And also, as a side question, of the previous tournaments you have been to, which was was the best run and why?
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Postby astro124 » April 3rd, 2013, 4:30 pm

I think UC Berkeley would be a pretty neat site to have it at.

And, unfortunately I have never been to a past national tournament.
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Postby justsomedudenamedted » April 5th, 2013, 6:49 pm

I was, literally, thinking UC Berkeley too. But (to retain originality) I was thinking UCLA too. Or back at Wisconsin.

The next unannounced year is going to be my Senior year. So somewhere awesome would be nice, but I've only been to Florida, so I don't have much Nats experence.
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Postby tornado guy » April 6th, 2013, 2:43 pm

This is a fun question... IMO, Wisconsin and UCF were really close (both had beautiful campuses), but I'd give a slight, slight edge to Wisconsin (the opening ceremony at Wisconsin was by far the funnest).

Obviously to have nationals in Hawaii would be the best, but realistically maybe a school out west such as Stanford or UCLA/USC...
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Postby Dragonshark » April 13th, 2013, 5:22 pm

During the awards ceremony at state today, I found out that the 2016 nats will supposedly be held at the University of Wisconsin-Stout. Most probably have no idea where that is - it's in the northern part of the state, basically in the middle of nowhere.
It's a decent place for states, but I don't know if it's large enough to host nats. Most of the events are hosted in one building, which is convenient.
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Postby justsomedudenamedted » April 13th, 2013, 6:48 pm

Minneapolis isn't that far from Menominne (Least, I think thats where UW-Stout is.), but it seems like a strange place to hold Nationals...... I highly doubt it's going to be there, but I don't care. I was thinking that it would be cool if it was in New York though. Thats all my ideas.... :)
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Postby juicemanman » April 14th, 2013, 4:49 pm

justsomedudenamedted wrote:Minneapolis isn't that far from Menominne (Least, I think thats where UW-Stout is.), but it seems like a strange place to hold Nationals...... I highly doubt it's going to be there, but I don't care. I was thinking that it would be cool if it was in New York though. Thats all my ideas.... :)

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Postby balsa » April 18th, 2013, 10:40 pm

I think carnegie mellon would be an interesting place to have a future national tournament...
or maybe a university in washington dc?
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Postby caseyotis » April 19th, 2013, 12:19 pm

Although I'm probably never going to make it to Nats, I think that the location should be in the middle of the U.S. so some teams will have the opportunity to drive if they so choose. I don't know. .-. Wisconsin seems like a neutral area. But California... That's pushing it.
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Postby foreverphysics » April 19th, 2013, 3:13 pm

They had it in Florida. Think about poor California/Washington/Oregon/all those other states.
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Postby fozendog » April 19th, 2013, 3:22 pm

Then again, it was in Florida :)
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Postby Kokonilly » April 19th, 2013, 4:43 pm

caseyotis wrote:Wisconsin seems like a neutral area. But California... That's pushing it.

Well, the thing is that California has the LA airport (LAX) and the San Francisco airport (SFO) - major airports that can handle a lot of traffic, comparable in size to JFK in New York. It also has a number of smaller airports, such as the one in Oakland (OAK) or San Jose (SJC), so both NorCal and SoCal are well-equipped for transportation purposes. On the other hand, Wisconsin has the Milwaukee airport (MKE) that is comparable to maybe the St. Louis (STL) or Pittsburgh (PIT) airport (not as big as JFK or LAX) - and, with a few hours' drive, the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport (MSP). Granted, MSP is a major hub, but it's a few hours' drive. I was looking at airfare from SFO to whatever airport there is in Ohio, and it's a hassle, despite Ohio being in the middle of the country.

Basically, California is really convenient for flying, not so much for driving, which most teams would probably do anyway. If you want a location easily drivable for the maximum number of teams, I bet New England would be the best (tiny states). On the other hand, having the tournament in the Midwest makes it easier for the states with fewer/no major airports (Iowa, Kansas) to drive. I don't know the rationale behind Florida. Georgia would have been good - except it was in Augusta, which is a two-hour drive from ATL (which, granted, is a major Delta hub). Atlanta would have been better, especially because for us en route there was a four-lane traffic jam/accident or something and a two-hour drive turned to four.

TL;DR: I can understand having it in the Midwest, or in California, or in New England - not so much Florida or Augusta. Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong.

EDIT: Did that make sense? I hope so.

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Postby Luo » April 19th, 2013, 6:28 pm

Kokonilly wrote:TL;DR: I can understand having it in the Midwest, or in California, or in New England - not so much Florida or Augusta. Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong.

I think it's erroneous to assume that they select national tournament sites based primarily on proximity of major airports or ease of transportation. I think that it's probably far more important what people they have at each of the sites. For example, Mike McKee, a Science Olympiad fanatic and member of the Science Olympiad national executive board, was able to get behind the tournament at Central Florida. Augusta had Bill Wellnitz. Dayton has the Chalkers. It's the fundraising and logistics and all that stuff that makes it (in my view at least) far more important who is at the site than what is at the site. For example, if the UW-Stout national tournament rumors are true, it would be explained by this logic because UW-Stout is kind of in the middle of nowhere and probably doesn't have the most cutting-edge facilities, but if they have really eager tournament organizers (which I hear they do) who are willing to fundraise and plan and everything, then that's where the tournament can and will be held.
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Postby chalker7 » April 20th, 2013, 7:09 am

Luo wrote:I think it's erroneous to assume that they select national tournament sites based primarily on proximity of major airports or ease of transportation. I think that it's probably far more important what people they have at each of the sites. For example, Mike McKee, a Science Olympiad fanatic and member of the Science Olympiad national executive board, was able to get behind the tournament at Central Florida. Augusta had Bill Wellnitz. Dayton has the Chalkers. It's the fundraising and logistics and all that stuff that makes it (in my view at least) far more important who is at the site than what is at the site. For example, if the UW-Stout national tournament rumors are true, it would be explained by this logic because UW-Stout is kind of in the middle of nowhere and probably doesn't have the most cutting-edge facilities, but if they have really eager tournament organizers (which I hear they do) who are willing to fundraise and plan and everything, then that's where the tournament can and will be held.


This is accurate, if there is no one with any affiliations to a particular desirable university, nationals won't happen there since no one will be on site to organize it.
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Postby chalker » April 20th, 2013, 9:13 am

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Luo wrote:I think it's erroneous to assume that they select national tournament sites based primarily on proximity of major airports or ease of transportation. I think that it's probably far more important what people they have at each of the sites. For example, Mike McKee, a Science Olympiad fanatic and member of the Science Olympiad national executive board, was able to get behind the tournament at Central Florida. Augusta had Bill Wellnitz. Dayton has the Chalkers. It's the fundraising and logistics and all that stuff that makes it (in my view at least) far more important who is at the site than what is at the site. For example, if the UW-Stout national tournament rumors are true, it would be explained by this logic because UW-Stout is kind of in the middle of nowhere and probably doesn't have the most cutting-edge facilities, but if they have really eager tournament organizers (which I hear they do) who are willing to fundraise and plan and everything, then that's where the tournament can and will be held.


This is accurate, if there is no one with any affiliations to a particular desirable university, nationals won't happen there since no one will be on site to organize it.



Just to add to this, running a national tournament is something like 80-90% the responsibility and effort of the local folks. You have to have the complete support of the university administration and lots of boots on the ground. The National Office provides some assistance and oversight, but in general isn't that involved in the day-to-day planning aspects. The typical way a site is selected is that a local SO 'fanatic' pulls a team together, convinces the administration at the university of the various benefits of hosting a tournament, then the university officially makes a 'bid' to the national office. In some situations (like the UW-Stout situation), that bid might be deferred for a few years until 'all the stars are in alignment'.

So view this is a challenge to all you west coast folks wanting to have a National Tournament in your neck of the woods... feel free to try to pull together a team and convince a university to submit a bid.

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