NATIONAL MISSION POSSIBLE

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NATIONAL MISSION POSSIBLE

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Did anyone have unusual interpretation of the mission rules at nationals? We lost 30 points because of the word "lift"
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Though I didn't do mission, I thought the judging was unusually harsh. I watched my friend from my school do it, and he lost like 50 points because of a controversial complication of the wheel and axle.
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same here. Lost all the points on the wheel and ax.
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Yeah. And the judge tried to take off all 250 final task points for illegal wiring on a wire that wasn't even part of the mission... We protested successfully. The judge was really technical.. We only got 17th in mission. If not for the 50 point loss, we would've gone close to placing...
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Seems like it was a tricky event. From the buzz yesterday it seemed like the majority of arbitration issues were MP issues. You'd hear the coaches walk to the table saying "blah blah blah mission possible blah blah blah."

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our mission's tower got stuck on the way up, which was extremely unusual and we were 3 seconds over (10th place). I thought the judging was a lot more lenient this year than last year.
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In case you all didn't know, the national event supervisor is the one that primarily wrote the rules and has been doing this particular event for a VERY long time. Thus I'd suggest his 'interpretation' or 'harshness' or 'technicality' was exactly what was meant in the rules. Note that although there were several arbitrations in this event, they all essentially boiled down to only 2 issues, and the committee ruled in favor of the supervisor on one issue and in favor of the competitors on the other one.

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chalker wrote:In case you all didn't know, the national event supervisor is the one that primarily wrote the rules and has been doing this particular event for a VERY long time. Thus I'd suggest his 'interpretation' or 'harshness' or 'technicality' was exactly what was meant in the rules. Note that although there were several arbitrations in this event, they all essentially boiled down to only 2 issues, and the committee ruled in favor of the supervisor on one issue and in favor of the competitors on the other one.
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The national event coordinator was very tough but, I did understand his reasoning. Though I do not like the fact he chose to deduct points if it looked like the student DID NOT build it.
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chalker wrote:In case you all didn't know, the national event supervisor is the one that primarily wrote the rules and has been doing this particular event for a VERY long time. Thus I'd suggest his 'interpretation' or 'harshness' or 'technicality' was exactly what was meant in the rules. Note that although there were several arbitrations in this event, they all essentially boiled down to only 2 issues, and the committee ruled in favor of the supervisor on one issue and in favor of the competitors on the other one.


I believe we have found the root cause. "exactly what was meant" seems a little self centered. That arrogance was certainly on display last Saturday. Our coach always talks about many ways to solve a problem. It looks like at nationals there is only one way.
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