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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby mk3966 » April 22nd, 2014, 2:55 pm

scio444 wrote:There is a spelling mistake on the lists. They spell common sawflies tenthedinidae, not tenthredinidae- with a "r".
Has there been a rule clarification on this? Is it too late to file one for nationals? :?

Not sure about the answer to your question but I should add that lampyridae is also misspelled (the list says lamphyridae).
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby SOnerd » April 22nd, 2014, 3:16 pm

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scio444 wrote:There is a spelling mistake on the lists. They spell common sawflies tenthedinidae, not tenthredinidae- with a "r".
Has there been a rule clarification on this? Is it too late to file one for nationals? :?

Not sure about the answer to your question but I should add that lampyridae is also misspelled (the list says lamphyridae).

Maybe you could ask the proctor at Nats?? :|
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby havenbreadfish » April 22nd, 2014, 6:12 pm

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mk3966 wrote:
scio444 wrote:There is a spelling mistake on the lists. They spell common sawflies tenthedinidae, not tenthredinidae- with a "r".
Has there been a rule clarification on this? Is it too late to file one for nationals? :?

Not sure about the answer to your question but I should add that lampyridae is also misspelled (the list says lamphyridae).

Maybe you could ask the proctor at Nats?? :|


It's just a spelling error. The list clearly wasn't proofread very well, as evidenced by the double sentence in the introduction, inconsistent hyphenation and spacing, and a few spelling errors.

You won't lose any points on the nationals test for misspelling the scientific name by one letter, and they certainly aren't referring to different families. It's not worth losing any sleep over. 8-)
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby MightyMouse2 » April 24th, 2014, 12:43 pm

Does anybody know if tabs need to be visible? has there been any rule clarifications?
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby gneissisnice » April 24th, 2014, 3:55 pm

MightyMouse2 wrote:Does anybody know if tabs need to be visible? has there been any rule clarifications?


To me, a tab is visible by definition. If it's not something you can see sticking out of a page to help you find the page quickly, then it's not a tab.

That's not a rule clarification, but that's how I interpret it, at least.
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby PsychrolutesMarcidus » April 25th, 2014, 6:34 pm

How do you distinguish between the different types of bees? I especially have trouble with megachilidae, apidae, and colletidae... :shock:

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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby mary5297 » May 6th, 2014, 10:27 am

What should my partner and I do if the event proctor asks for a family name, even though the specific order on the official entomology list doesn't have any families under it?

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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby ceg7654 » May 6th, 2014, 11:43 am

mary5297 wrote:What should my partner and I do if the event proctor asks for a family name, even though the specific order on the official entomology list doesn't have any families under it?


Most of the time, your guide will have the family listed there and you can easily flip through your guide and find it. If it's just one question though, most likely it won't affect your final score too much. If it really bothers you, talk to the proctors and writers if you can about the test after you've finished it. Bring a copy of the rules with you to all competitions(not necessarily in the testing room, but just in general where your team has "settled") just in case of times when you want to file an appeal. This applies to not only Ento but for all other events where things can go very wrong(pretty much all the events).
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Postby havenguy » May 6th, 2014, 1:16 pm

mary5297 wrote:What should my partner and I do if the event proctor asks for a family name, even though the specific order on the official entomology list doesn't have any families under it?


You're from Harriton, right? I assume you are referring to the Division C test at PA States. Ceg7654 is right: if you had looked in the guide during the test, there were only a few obvious families to pick from (for example, mantodea-mantidae). We asked the supervisor if he wanted to family for every single order during the test, and when he said yes, we just put down our best guess from the audubon.
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby mary5297 » May 6th, 2014, 1:46 pm

havenguy wrote:
mary5297 wrote:What should my partner and I do if the event proctor asks for a family name, even though the specific order on the official entomology list doesn't have any families under it?


You're from Harriton, right? I assume you are referring to the Division C test at PA States. Ceg7654 is right: if you had looked in the guide during the test, there were only a few obvious families to pick from (for example, mantodea-mantidae). We asked the supervisor if he wanted to family for every single order during the test, and when he said yes, we just put down our best guess from the audubon.


Yup, that's what we did. Just wondering for future tests, thanks!

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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby SOnerd » May 9th, 2014, 1:55 pm

Anyone here done a Bio ID event at Nats?
What is the test like?? Do the proctors make sure to stay within the rules?
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby chalker » May 9th, 2014, 4:48 pm

SOnerd wrote:Anyone here done a Bio ID event at Nats?
What is the test like?? Do the proctors make sure to stay within the rules?


If there is one thing you can generally count on, it's for the national event supervisors to stick to the rules. Typically they are the ones that wrote them....

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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby SOnerd » May 9th, 2014, 5:17 pm

chalker wrote:
SOnerd wrote:Anyone here done a Bio ID event at Nats?
What is the test like?? Do the proctors make sure to stay within the rules?


If there is one thing you can generally count on, it's for the national event supervisors to stick to the rules. Typically they are the ones that wrote them....

Okay thanks!!
That was a really stupid newbie question :oops: :lol:
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby SOnerd » May 13th, 2014, 5:33 pm

Hey what do you guys think will be on the National test?
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Re: Entomology B/C

Postby ceg7654 » May 13th, 2014, 9:23 pm

SOnerd wrote:Hey what do you guys think will be on the National test?


I'm not going to Nats :cry: but I'm pretty sure they'll have some tricky ID ones, a good amount of larvae to ID and answer questions about, and a dichotomous key section. In my opinion, if a test includes those, it's a pretty good Ento test. And they'll have the usual random questions on ecology, environmental/economic impact, etc.
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