Water Quality B/C

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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby Kazen » October 31st, 2013, 3:16 pm

fleshy algaue is fleshy macroalgae/seaweed, right?
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby TwelveSquared » November 2nd, 2013, 7:49 am

Je suis K wrote:Does anyone have advice on how to make the salinometer? How should I measure the salt and water mixtures?

Well... I've never done water quality myself, but i was enlisted to build a salinometer for the team that was. We're using an electronic device that measures salinity based off the resistance of that sample. Relatively easy build(two metal contacts a particular distance apart, wired to an ohmmeter), and more than enough accuracy.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby caseyotis » November 2nd, 2013, 9:20 am

TwelveSquared wrote:
Je suis K wrote:Does anyone have advice on how to make the salinometer? How should I measure the salt and water mixtures?

Well... I've never done water quality myself, but i was enlisted to build a salinometer for the team that was. We're using an electronic device that measures salinity based off the resistance of that sample. Relatively easy build(two metal contacts a particular distance apart, wired to an ohmmeter), and more than enough accuracy.


Oh, now this is exciting. Would it be too much to ask for you to try to upload an image onto the Image Gallery? Or maybe tell how to make that? I've been looking for something that's not the straw/clay method.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby TwelveSquared » November 3rd, 2013, 1:51 pm

caseyotis wrote:
TwelveSquared wrote:
Je suis K wrote:Does anyone have advice on how to make the salinometer? How should I measure the salt and water mixtures?

Well... I've never done water quality myself, but i was enlisted to build a salinometer for the team that was. We're using an electronic device that measures salinity based off the resistance of that sample. Relatively easy build(two metal contacts a particular distance apart, wired to an ohmmeter), and more than enough accuracy.


Oh, now this is exciting. Would it be too much to ask for you to try to upload an image onto the Image Gallery? Or maybe tell how to make that? I've been looking for something that's not the straw/clay method.

We haven't actually built the device yet, but i will once we do.
The build is, as stated above, pretty simple- some sort of multimeter/ohmmeter/something-that-measures-electrical-resistance device, and a small apparatus that contains two metal leads of a particular size and distance apart(it doesn't matter, so long as the resistance will be within your device's measurable range)that are connected to the device. Then, you would just dip the leads into the sample, and plug the reading into a formula. We aren't the first people to try this, so you should be able to find plans or similar online. That's where we got the idea in the first place, actually.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby caseyotis » November 4th, 2013, 2:57 pm

TwelveSquared wrote:We haven't actually built the device yet, but i will once we do.
The build is, as stated above, pretty simple- some sort of multimeter/ohmmeter/something-that-measures-electrical-resistance device, and a small apparatus that contains two metal leads of a particular size and distance apart(it doesn't matter, so long as the resistance will be within your device's measurable range)that are connected to the device. Then, you would just dip the leads into the sample, and plug the reading into a formula. We aren't the first people to try this, so you should be able to find plans or similar online. That's where we got the idea in the first place, actually.


Oh, okay.
Really? Odd. I looked up stuff like that online, and I couldn't find anything. I'm actually not that good at science, so that doesn't seem all that simple. But I'm sure I could make something like that with assistance.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby TwelveSquared » November 4th, 2013, 3:34 pm

caseyotis wrote:
TwelveSquared wrote:We haven't actually built the device yet, but i will once we do.
The build is, as stated above, pretty simple- some sort of multimeter/ohmmeter/something-that-measures-electrical-resistance device, and a small apparatus that contains two metal leads of a particular size and distance apart(it doesn't matter, so long as the resistance will be within your device's measurable range)that are connected to the device. Then, you would just dip the leads into the sample, and plug the reading into a formula. We aren't the first people to try this, so you should be able to find plans or similar online. That's where we got the idea in the first place, actually.


Oh, okay.
Really? Odd. I looked up stuff like that online, and I couldn't find anything. I'm actually not that good at science, so that doesn't seem all that simple. But I'm sure I could make something like that with assistance.

This should be a good place to start-http://mathinscience.info/public/home_made_ocean/saltmeter.doc. start with that, but find a way to fix the two leads a certain distance apart, then test a bunch of samples with different salinity. that should allow you to determine the correlation between your reading and the salinity, and you've got a salinometer.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby caseyotis » November 4th, 2013, 4:31 pm

TwelveSquared wrote:
caseyotis wrote:
TwelveSquared wrote:We haven't actually built the device yet, but i will once we do.
The build is, as stated above, pretty simple- some sort of multimeter/ohmmeter/something-that-measures-electrical-resistance device, and a small apparatus that contains two metal leads of a particular size and distance apart(it doesn't matter, so long as the resistance will be within your device's measurable range)that are connected to the device. Then, you would just dip the leads into the sample, and plug the reading into a formula. We aren't the first people to try this, so you should be able to find plans or similar online. That's where we got the idea in the first place, actually.


Oh, okay.
Really? Odd. I looked up stuff like that online, and I couldn't find anything. I'm actually not that good at science, so that doesn't seem all that simple. But I'm sure I could make something like that with assistance.

This should be a good place to start-http://mathinscience.info/public/home_made_ocean/saltmeter.doc. start with that, but find a way to fix the two leads a certain distance apart, then test a bunch of samples with different salinity. that should allow you to determine the correlation between your reading and the salinity, and you've got a salinometer.


Oh! Thank you so much~
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby mnstrviola » November 4th, 2013, 5:53 pm

Je suis K wrote:Does anyone have advice on how to make the salinometer? How should I measure the salt and water mixtures?

To answer both your questions, check this link out!
http://soinc.org/sites/default/files/up ... er12_0.pdf

^ I definitely recommend using the above design, as it's a lot easier to build and calibrate. Go for using a thing straw, as that will help make measurements more precise.

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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby Godlike » November 17th, 2013, 5:07 pm

What does the Fleshy Algae look like? Google Images doesn't pull up any useful images...

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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby Kazen » November 21st, 2013, 3:46 pm

Godlike wrote:What does the Fleshy Algae look like? Google Images doesn't pull up any useful images...

I think it's seaweed, but I'm not sure.



Do we only have to identify organisms on the list given in the rules or do we also have to know others? Since in the rules they put IDing and regarding the table into two separate sentences.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby CulturallyScientific » November 24th, 2013, 12:05 pm

Technically, identification is not supposed to go beyond the organisms listed in the table in the rules, but I've seen several tests where they've asked for ID of other organisms...
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby geminicross » November 29th, 2013, 8:30 pm

Can someone here explain BOD in a straightforward way? Thanks

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Postby caseyotis » November 29th, 2013, 9:04 pm

geminicross wrote:Can someone here explain BOD in a straightforward way? Thanks


The wiki entry does a pretty good job of explaining.

So decomposers need oxygen to break down organic material. Biological oxygen demand is the amount of dissolved oxygen that the organisms in a certain amount of water, at a certain temperature, need in order to break down the organic material that's in that certain water sample.
It's important because this microbial metabolism (the breakdown of organic material by the decomposers for food) often depletes the oxygen in the water faster than it can be replenished. Organisms that are less tolerant of low oxygen levels can die off.
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Postby rtunnel97 » November 30th, 2013, 10:05 am

geminicross wrote:Can someone here explain BOD in a straightforward way? Thanks


BOD is, in simple terms, the amount of oxygen needed by the organisms in an ecosystem to live. The demand can basically met or not.
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Re: Water Quality B/C

Postby PicturePerfect » December 2nd, 2013, 9:43 pm

Is there not a 2014 wiki for this event yet? Because this year it's about 'marine, coral reefs, and estuaries', and the wiki still shows last year's.
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Heredity | 2nd
Forestry | 3rd
Food Science | 5th
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Heredity | 4th
Water Quality | 7th
Shock Value | 7th
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