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Re: Scrambler C

Post by penclspinner » March 23rd, 2014, 5:44 pm

iwonder wrote:Is it wrong then that I've had ES's let me attempt to fix the device during the 10 minute run to bring it back into spec? It doesn't disallow it in the rules and in other events like maglev I believe that's considered the norm.
Your mileage may vary.

Your individual regional/state event supervisor will run their event as they see fit. No one has control over that =/

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Re: Scrambler C

Post by syo_astro » March 23rd, 2014, 5:45 pm

penclspinner wrote:
iwonder wrote:Is it wrong then that I've had ES's let me attempt to fix the device during the 10 minute run to bring it back into spec? It doesn't disallow it in the rules and in other events like maglev I believe that's considered the norm.
Your mileage may vary.

Your individual regional/state event supervisor will run their event as they see fit. No one has control over that =/
No one has control over it, but I'll say BroNi is certainly a very kinda/awesome person. At States somehow we had one of our dowels just barely over the 4 cm (argh, I had checked it literally 5 times). But thankfully I impounded some sandpaper and during the 10 mins he allowed us to use it to bring it in spec :).
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Re: Scrambler C

Post by nxtscholar » March 26th, 2014, 11:03 am

I was just wondering how other E/C interpreted rule 2g, where it states teams have to use a pencil to "actuate a release mechanism". I saw a team build a hammer launcher and use the pencil itself as the release mechanism, in the sense that rather than lift the hammer into it's start position with their hands, they used the pencil with a dowel attached to move the hammer.

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Re: Scrambler C

Post by A Person » March 26th, 2014, 3:19 pm

nxtscholar wrote:I was just wondering how other E/C interpreted rule 2g, where it states teams have to use a pencil to "actuate a release mechanism". I saw a team build a hammer launcher and use the pencil itself as the release mechanism, in the sense that rather than lift the hammer into it's start position with their hands, they used the pencil with a dowel attached to move the hammer.
If I saw that I would consider it to be illegal. I'm not sure how they lifted a two kg weight with a pencil and dowel rod, but it seems like it couldn't be considered a release because the scrambler which includes the launcher isn't truly in a ready-to-launch position.
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Re: Scrambler C

Post by fishman100 » March 26th, 2014, 5:15 pm

nxtscholar wrote:I was just wondering how other E/C interpreted rule 2g, where it states teams have to use a pencil to "actuate a release mechanism". I saw a team build a hammer launcher and use the pencil itself as the release mechanism, in the sense that rather than lift the hammer into it's start position with their hands, they used the pencil with a dowel attached to move the hammer.
I, too, would declare that illegal. For me, a legal release mech would be similar to a Gravity Vehicle's release mech; the contraption has a release mech independent of the pencil and must also be stable (ie it doesn't require any people to hold a part up, etc). Personally, we built a mount for the weight around 97cm and that did the trick for us. Then, all we had to do was push the mass off using the pencil.

Our states finished on Saturday. A lot of teams were tiered down for not following the "mass can't hit the ground" rule. In fact, the team which placed 8th (which is respectable in any state) was tiered down. I don't know for sure, but 6-7th place might also have had a violation. Oh, and we were also allowed to clean the track with water, despite the rules stating that the track must be kept dry. These things are simple, but even the top teams may overlook them, so be sure to read all the clarifications and triple-check your measurements! Ask the ES for any clarifications because they give the ultimate decision!

As for us, we finished 4th :( The distance was 10.2m, our time score was around 2.7 seconds, and the distance score was around 80cm. 1st place had a time of around 5 seconds but finished within an estimated 5-18cm of the wall (dunno for sure though, so take my estimates with a grain of salt). It's interesting that distance plays the bigger role on scoring, because upon looking at the scoring formula there's a 5:1 ratio between the time and distance scores. For every 0.01 seconds, the time is multiplied by 5 but the distance is a 1cm:1 point ratio, so we assumed time would be determining factor between the top few places. We soon realized, however, that most vehicles will have a similar speed, so the distance score becomes increasingly imperative.

Just something to keep in mind.
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Re: Scrambler C

Post by Toad25 » March 29th, 2014, 6:22 pm

So if something falls off the egg transport on the first run, it is technically a construction violation. Should said team be awarded a second run be awarded?

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Re: Scrambler C

Post by fishman100 » March 29th, 2014, 6:35 pm

Toad25 wrote:So if something falls off the egg transport on the first run, it is technically a construction violation. Should said team be awarded a second run be awarded?
Just as long as the egg doesn't break on the 1st run then yes. If they can't fix it on the 2nd run, however, they remain in a lower tier.

(FYI: not an official decision, so some ES may allow a 2nd run while others may not...but tbh I don't see a reason to bar teams from a 2nd run solely for a construction violation)
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Re: Scrambler C

Post by Toad25 » March 29th, 2014, 6:42 pm

Thank you! A teams weight fell through their vehicle at states today (it was built like a boom) but they were awarded a second run (even though they had other violations, the ES wasn't well informed). They ended up getting the silver medal in the event and that won them the meet. Just wondering if it was legit

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Re: Scrambler C

Post by Astroknight » March 29th, 2014, 8:35 pm

Toad25 wrote:Thank you! A teams weight fell through their vehicle at states today (it was built like a boom) but they were awarded a second run (even though they had other violations, the ES wasn't well informed). They ended up getting the silver medal in the event and that won them the meet. Just wondering if it was legit
Doesn't sound like it. Could you please PM me the Maine results, i.e. who won? (for the wiki).
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Re: Scrambler C

Post by thsom » April 1st, 2014, 7:29 am

2013-12-23 02:07 This section of the rules states that only the wheels of the scrambler can make contact with the floor. Does this mean that the falling mass can't make contact with the floor?
Only the wheels of the Scrambler and any parts of the Scrambler in contact with the floor at the ready to run configuration are allowed to contact the floor. If any piece falls off the Scrambler during the run, it is a construction violation. Therefore the falling mass cannot touch the ground at any time.

This is the rule clarification or FAQ posted on soinc.org.
I was wondering if we use a pulley system and the string hits the ground, is grounds for a violation
If so, how could we prevent that from happening
Also, if the string leaves the meter by meter by .75 meter box is that a violation (even if not due to this rule)

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