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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby dickyjones » August 31st, 2008, 6:59 pm

The list is up on soinc and is the same as said. Rules are also similar.

So they added (from my incredibly quick count) 5 specimens (12 if you count additons to make dual IDs like 'Gekkonidae & Eublepharidae') and took away 23. In my opinion, that is not something you can do in the second year of an ID event and still expect much spread in test scores among top teams (especially at the national level if there's another test like last years). Hopefully, the tests I take will be difficult enough in time limits or questions to make up for it.

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby adam124218 » August 31st, 2008, 8:10 pm

I think you do have to count those duals, so they really added 9, but I agree with you, it seems bad that they made the list so much smaller. Maybe they'll add more things you need to know about them.

They took away a lot of the hard ones, which seems silly to me. Why not take away something easy like soft-shelled turtles. Anyone can identify a soft-shelled turtle. Not anyone can identify a lungless salamander. Those lungless salamanders were some of the most interesting of the specimens on the list and I don't know why they took them away. Now the only really hard ones left are all of those dumb snakes. I don't have anything against snakes, I just think there the most boring of the reptiles and amphibians.

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby gneissisnice » September 1st, 2008, 7:30 am

Too bad, I liked wall lizards and fringe-toed lizards :( . Still, I cant complain about the removal of uta and urosaurus, and the other pair (holbrookia and collophorous, i think).
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Pleiades » September 1st, 2008, 10:03 am

I wonder what the reason was behind removing all of those. I dont see how that alone will spread out the test scores too. I'll lug out my binder later and count how many species I lost. For most genera I had several species.

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby gneissisnice » September 1st, 2008, 2:08 pm

oh, it was cophosaurus...my bad.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Deeisenberg » September 1st, 2008, 5:09 pm

These changes won't spread out test scores at all. The lack of the binder will cause the gap between the good teams and the not so good teams larger. The easier list will just make everyones scores closer together. I am really hoping that they will increase the difficulty on the tests, at least for us. I can't wait until they start taking clarifications, because that will be the thing that will help determine how binders will be reincarnated so to speak.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Sheogorath » September 8th, 2008, 4:50 pm

adam124218 wrote:I think you do have to count those duals, so they really added 9, but I agree with you, it seems bad that they made the list so much smaller. Maybe they'll add more things you need to know about them.

They took away a lot of the hard ones, which seems silly to me. Why not take away something easy like soft-shelled turtles. Anyone can identify a soft-shelled turtle. Not anyone can identify a lungless salamander. Those lungless salamanders were some of the most interesting of the specimens on the list and I don't know why they took them away. Now the only really hard ones left are all of those dumb snakes. I don't have anything against snakes, I just think there the most boring of the reptiles and amphibians.


I agree snakes were the worst, they just aren't that interesting

And I wish they kept sea turtles, Loggerheads were cool
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Pleiades » September 8th, 2008, 5:08 pm

I loved sea turtles!! i'm sad that they're gone!

I wasnt a huge fan of frogs.. those were probably my worst. My best was by far turtles though.. i had no problem identifying those. That and crocodilians :D

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby gneissisnice » September 8th, 2008, 6:10 pm

Lizards are my best...turtles all look the same to me :( . And I know nothing about snakes, thats my partners domain. And frogs are really hard.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Deeisenberg » September 9th, 2008, 6:32 am

I love them all, the turtles are very easy, and the lizards were not especially difficult, though harder than turtles. Snakes were probably the second most difficult taxon, though by far my favorite. I hated salamanders but my partner was very good at them. As for frogs, my partner was signifigantly better at them, but I don't think that they were that hard if you could keep the few little tricks for hylidae straight.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby dickyjones » September 9th, 2008, 12:57 pm

For me, difficulty wise:

Alligators < Lizards < Frogs < Turtles < Salamanders < Snakes

Turtles are the most fun though.

Difficulty in salamanders and snakes were pretty similar last year. With the changes in lungless salamanders this year, snakes are definitely going to be the most difficult order.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Deeisenberg » September 10th, 2008, 11:19 am

Yeah I forgot crocodilians, definetly the easiest. Wee I can't wait 'til I get my rules.
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Postby Deeisenberg » September 10th, 2008, 11:22 am

Yeah I forgot crocodilians, definetly the easiest. Wee I can't wait 'til I get my rules.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby whiskers » October 13th, 2008, 4:14 pm

gneissisnice wrote:I enjoyed the event, but thought it was sorta difficult (to me, all the snakes look the same, as do the turtles). I made my own binder, which helped me learn the event better, but unfortunately, i made it too concise; i had 2 reptiles per page, but not enough information, so it screwed us up at states.



I was like an expert on snakes ,but totally stank at turtles .

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby dowens93 » October 15th, 2008, 11:10 am

well, this is probably the easiest event. but, does anyone know good online practice tests.............. :?:


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