Amphibians and Reptiles

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Paradox21 » May 17th, 2009, 5:16 pm

I can't believe that they would not let me use printed notes that were attached to my field guides for nationals. Did I somehow miss the memo that they all had to be handwritten? I got a very disappointing 28th.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby crabnebula143 » May 17th, 2009, 5:17 pm

I can't believe that they would not let me use printed notes that were attached to my field guides for nationals. Did I somehow miss the memo that they all had to be handwritten? I got a very disappointing 23rd.
I think it says in the rules that no printed tabs are allowed. :(

How was the test, otherwise?? :)
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Paradox21 » May 17th, 2009, 5:27 pm

There are actually 2 FAQs that address this on the national website:

http://soinc.org/node/414

http://soinc.org/node/454

They both say they are allowed.

Otherwise the test seemed sort of easy. It was a lot of pure identification without any follow-up questions. There were a few words I did not know (could not use printed glossary) and there was a cladogram question that I totally biffed (had the exact diagram printed out but could not use it).

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby crabnebula143 » May 17th, 2009, 5:29 pm

Wait, doesn't it say in the rules that you can't use the FAQs as a rule clarifier ???
Thats too bad though. :cry: :cry:
Otherwise, good job. :)
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby dickyjones » May 17th, 2009, 6:12 pm

That goes completely against the rule clarifications that I made approximately 5 of to be certain of the point (allowing printed diagrams/pictures/notes). Rulings like that are somewhat ridiculous at that level. Doesn't sound like a very well run event.
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Liv » May 18th, 2009, 5:33 am

Ya isn't there a rule which you can't have the notes of the field guide out more than _____ inches. That rule was inforced 2 weeks before regional. It was so that teams couldn't stick notes in there field guide. The only thing that my partner and I stuck into my field guide was the "not in book" animals and tabs to show where everything was.

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Deeisenberg » May 18th, 2009, 3:11 pm

This sounds odd, I made a point to show my field guide and ask if it was okay directly before the test started. I asked, showed him my book which was FULL of printed notes which I clearly displayed, and they said it was fine. I am dismayed to hear that. Was this the division C test?

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby Paradox21 » May 18th, 2009, 3:19 pm

Oh my, that is interesting. It was definitely division C in the group of teams from 21 through 30 and they definitely said that we could not use printed notes. People were in the hallway ripping out notes and crumpling them up so they would not be disqualified.

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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby herper K8 » May 18th, 2009, 5:57 pm

I'm very depressed that this is the last year for a+r but the only year i had a chance to do it and i bombed nats too..... :(
I'm hoping that my team has a next year...
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Re: Amphibians and Reptiles

Postby herper K8 » May 18th, 2009, 6:05 pm

A+R is my favorite event and will always be the best event of all time (in my opinoin) and yeah i just wanted to have the 500th post :lol: so yea
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