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Re: New York 2014

Post by haverstall » March 8th, 2014, 8:23 pm

You guys have paperwork for States? In MN, you have to decline your spot not to go...
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Re: New York 2014

Post by samir1996 » March 9th, 2014, 9:09 am

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Re: New York 2014

Post by samir1996 » March 9th, 2014, 9:10 am

haverstall wrote:You guys have paperwork for States? In MN, you have to decline your spot not to go...
Yes you have to send in a sheet and the registration fee.

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Re: New York 2014

Post by EastStroudsburg13 » March 9th, 2014, 9:19 am

This is really confusing to me. It's a day late, which shouldn't be a dealbreaker for any team, so I understand if he does not make an exception for any team, but I don't agree with that policy to begin with if that's the case. And it's counterproductive to not let Ward compete since they're one of the best schools in NY and only improve the state's competitiveness. So I neither understand nor agree with this decision at all, unless I'm missing something.
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Re: New York 2014

Post by gneissisnice » March 9th, 2014, 12:29 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:This is really confusing to me. It's a day late, which shouldn't be a dealbreaker for any team, so I understand if he does not make an exception for any team, but I don't agree with that policy to begin with if that's the case. And it's counterproductive to not let Ward compete since they're one of the best schools in NY and only improve the state's competitiveness. So I neither understand nor agree with this decision at all, unless I'm missing something.
It's not a national policy either. It's a completely arbitrary policy made by the state director and I can't fathom why. Most states don't have any sort of policy about that, as long as you get the registration in.
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Re: New York 2014

Post by syo_astro » March 9th, 2014, 12:35 pm

gneissisnice wrote:
EastStroudsburg13 wrote:This is really confusing to me. It's a day late, which shouldn't be a dealbreaker for any team, so I understand if he does not make an exception for any team, but I don't agree with that policy to begin with if that's the case. And it's counterproductive to not let Ward compete since they're one of the best schools in NY and only improve the state's competitiveness. So I neither understand nor agree with this decision at all, unless I'm missing something.
It's not a national policy either. It's a completely arbitrary policy made by the state director and I can't fathom why. Most states don't have any sort of policy about that, as long as you get the registration in.
I would like to point out there's other arbitrary policies that can be just as annoying but nobody probably will ever to be argue, not just in NYS:
-NYS's two extra trials
-North Carolina's odd rules clarifs (no laptops for astro?!), replacing events
-Texas's 4 extra trials that can sub in for normal events
-Just you know what, in general how some states have "states-only" clarifications (so far the one I've approved of is our extra 5 state minerals since that at least adds fun/interest to the event)

Probably others, but most prominent example off the top of my head. Tbh, I do feel like there should be some deadline, just not that hard...beside the point gneiss and someone from Ward told me they're certainly fighting the decision, so guess we'll see how that works out :/.
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Re: New York 2014

Post by Flavorflav » March 9th, 2014, 1:43 pm

It is also a relatively new policy. Great Neck South got caught by it a couple of years ago, but before that teams sometimes brought the check to competition. If that presented some kind of problem for tournament organizers, I think the goal of promoting earlier filing could have been accomplished with a less severe penalty. It certainly is not in New York's best interest to bar its best team, and it seems wrong to punish the students for a relatively minor oversight on the part of the coaches.

P.S. it was more than a day, or so I hear. I don't know how late it was, but I'm not sure how much that matters.

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Re: New York 2014

Post by rtunnel97 » March 9th, 2014, 2:03 pm

It would be really nice to know if WM is going to be at states. They need to know too, they have worked so hard this season already. Any updates?
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Re: New York 2014

Post by haverstall » March 9th, 2014, 2:44 pm

samir1996 wrote:
haverstall wrote:You guys have paperwork for States? In MN, you have to decline your spot not to go...
Yes you have to send in a sheet and the registration fee.
So you send in the registration fee after you compete at Regionals? Aren't these usually paid before the entire season starts in the first place?
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gneissisnice wrote:
EastStroudsburg13 wrote:This is really confusing to me. It's a day late, which shouldn't be a dealbreaker for any team, so I understand if he does not make an exception for any team, but I don't agree with that policy to begin with if that's the case. And it's counterproductive to not let Ward compete since they're one of the best schools in NY and only improve the state's competitiveness. So I neither understand nor agree with this decision at all, unless I'm missing something.
It's not a national policy either. It's a completely arbitrary policy made by the state director and I can't fathom why. Most states don't have any sort of policy about that, as long as you get the registration in.
I would like to point out there's other arbitrary policies that can be just as annoying but nobody probably will ever to be argue, not just in NYS:
-NYS's two extra trials
-North Carolina's odd rules clarifs (no laptops for astro?!), replacing events
-Texas's 4 extra trials that can sub in for normal events
-Just you know what, in general how some states have "states-only" clarifications (so far the one I've approved of is our extra 5 state minerals since that at least adds fun/interest to the event)

Probably others, but most prominent example off the top of my head. Tbh, I do feel like there should be some deadline, just not that hard...beside the point gneiss and someone from Ward told me they're certainly fighting the decision, so guess we'll see how that works out :/.
I think the NC clarif was addressed on the soinc site though. I don't really have a problem with trial events, as I've had to face stuff like that before at WI invites (obviously without the weight of a state competition) but I think it's an ok call. I think the idea for a tournament you have qualified for already seems somewhat illogical. Unless that's how Nats does, when you have to notify them of showing up, but still, that doesn't require paperwork, I assume. A quick email would suffice, I think.
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Re: New York 2014

Post by samir1996 » March 9th, 2014, 3:24 pm

So you send in the registration fee after you compete at Regionals? Aren't these usually paid before the entire season starts in the first place?
We have to pay a NY registration fee at the beginning of the year, and then a state competition registration fee later.

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