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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Schrodingerscat » March 22nd, 2014, 6:02 pm

I would just like to throw in my two cents of analysis to this debate on competitiveness.

I have found most similar arguments come down to two separate meanings of competitiveness, which I will henceforth refer to as absolute and relative competitiveness. As the name implies, absolute competitiveness describes the states who have the best teams in the nation and the highest level of difficulty to place well in events. These would be states whose top teams regularly place at the top at nationals.

However, a second type of competitiveness that exists in some states is what I would call relative, or perhaps internal, competition. The best examples of these would be the states that frequently change champions, and the champions typically only win by a small margin over several other schools. Many smaller (in terms of teams) states exhibit this kind of competitiveness despite their champions rarely placing well at nationals. However, these two types of competitiveness are not mutually exclusive, and consistent relative competitiveness may be a key mechanism in building absolute competitiveness.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby schist99centz » March 25th, 2014, 11:45 am

1. Solon
2. Meads Mill
3. Marie Murphy
4. J.C Booth
5. Daniel Wright
6. Winston Churchill
7. Paul J. Gelinas
8. Shady Side Academy
9. Beckendorff
10. Muscatel
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Algorhythmic » March 25th, 2014, 6:06 pm

1. Solon
2. Meads Mill
3. JC Booth
4. Daniel Wright
5. Marie Murphy
6. Churchill
7. Memorial
8. Gelinas
9. Shady Side
10. Muscatel

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby cupcakegirl » March 25th, 2014, 6:20 pm

In general, I prefer not to speculate too much, but am I the only one who thinks Daniel Wright has a really good shot at winning? They were extremely close last year, and in the past few years, have only had an upward trend.

Just out of curiosity, why haven't many people been placing Beckendorff in the top ten?
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Algorhythmic » March 25th, 2014, 9:47 pm

cupcakegirl wrote:In general, I prefer not to speculate too much, but am I the only one who thinks Daniel Wright has a really good shot at winning? They were extremely close last year, and in the past few years, have only had an upward trend.

Just out of curiosity, why haven't many people been placing Beckendorff in the top ten?

The way I see it, people aren't placing Daniel Wright within the top three spots is because of the potential that other teams show at invitationals. This year, we had Meads Mill win the Wright State invitational over Solon and JC Booth had a very impressive turnout at Solon this year. We make speculation from the evidence that we have. Although it's true that Daniel Wright did have a very close second to Solon at nationals last year, teams have their rise and fall. I'm not saying that DW's skills have fallen in any way, it's simply that other teams are rising to the national challenge and increasing their game. Who knows? Maybe Daniel Wright will prove us wrong and be like Memorial, who showed up out of nowhere to beat Magsig and make it to nationals for the first time, completely CHANGING our expectations of them from their showings at invitationals.

As for Beckendorff not being in a lot of these lists, it's simply because we don't have a comparison. All these teams (apart from CA) battle it out in the same area of the country and give us perspective. I personally have no idea what goes on in the south, despite originally being a Texas native.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby PacificGoldenPlover » March 25th, 2014, 10:58 pm

Just curious: are you non Californians as terrified of us as we are of you? ;)
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Astroknight » March 26th, 2014, 5:59 am

PacificGoldenPlover wrote:Just curious: are you non Californians as terrified of us as we are of you? ;)



Out here in Tennessee, we generally have no idea what the heck is going on in the other states, especially California.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Sciolapedia » March 26th, 2014, 7:07 pm

Algorhythmic wrote:
cupcakegirl wrote:In general, I prefer not to speculate too much, but am I the only one who thinks Daniel Wright has a really good shot at winning? They were extremely close last year, and in the past few years, have only had an upward trend.

Just out of curiosity, why haven't many people been placing Beckendorff in the top ten?

The way I see it, people aren't placing Daniel Wright within the top three spots is because of the potential that other teams show at invitationals. This year, we had Meads Mill win the Wright State invitational over Solon and JC Booth had a very impressive turnout at Solon this year. We make speculation from the evidence that we have. Although it's true that Daniel Wright did have a very close second to Solon at nationals last year, teams have their rise and fall. I'm not saying that DW's skills have fallen in any way, it's simply that other teams are rising to the national challenge and increasing their game. Who knows? Maybe Daniel Wright will prove us wrong and be like Memorial, who showed up out of nowhere to beat Magsig and make it to nationals for the first time, completely CHANGING our expectations of them from their showings at invitationals.

As for Beckendorff not being in a lot of these lists, it's simply because we don't have a comparison. All these teams (apart from CA) battle it out in the same area of the country and give us perspective. I personally have no idea what goes on in the south, despite originally being a Texas native.


I don't know that we can rank teams like Beckendorff who we have no information about. They could be having a bad year or a great year, but either way we'll never be able to know until we have definitive evidence from their invitational scores. That's why i think at the bottom of our rankings we should put something like:
NE: Beckendorff

NE stands for no evidence and then you can list teams which aren't able to be analyzed but are noticeable enough to be recognized.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby qwertyuiop1234567890 » March 27th, 2014, 8:20 am

I think Daniel Wright would place in front of JC Booth :P

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Gearbox » March 27th, 2014, 9:40 pm

cupcakegirl wrote:In general, I prefer not to speculate too much, but am I the only one who thinks Daniel Wright has a really good shot at winning? They were extremely close last year, and in the past few years, have only had an upward trend.

Just out of curiosity, why haven't many people been placing Beckendorff in the top ten?


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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Gearbox » March 27th, 2014, 9:45 pm

1. Solon
2. Daniel Wright
3. Marie Murphy
4. Meads Mill
5. Paul J. Gelinas
6. Churchill
7. Memorial
8. JC Booth
9. Beckendorff
10. Shady Side
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby El Chapo » March 29th, 2014, 8:24 am

1. Solon
2. Meads Mill
3. Daniel Wright
4. Marie Murphy
5. J.C. Booth
6. Winston Churchill
7. Beckendorff
8. Paul J. Gelinas
9. Muscatel
10. Shady Side (hopefully)

We were only 1 point from 10th last year and I feel like we are in many ways better than last year but we are not on the level of some of these teams (though we are able to compete with them).
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby noodleluvr » March 29th, 2014, 8:23 pm

Beckendorff's scores

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Dailey-55(1st place)
Hopper- 128 (1st place)
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Sciolapedia » April 10th, 2014, 5:03 pm

How many of u think mentor is going to win the second place ohio spot?

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby ThatRoboGuy » April 10th, 2014, 5:34 pm

In ohio, it's going to be close.
Solon in first, as usual.
Second, third, fourth...it's a toss-up.
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