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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby kentuckyfan1001 » March 19th, 2014, 12:37 pm

Since I'm sorta out of scioly for a while, I'm not too concerned about posing my rankings. Please take my reasonings with a grain of salt; I'm obviously not that in the know and am speculating for most things.

I have a tie at the top because I think it's hard to say.
1. Solon - Yes, Solon has fallen behind in terms of depth, but I believe they have what it takes to win.
1. Troy - Consistency is key, and Troy proves to be always a safe pick for top 4. It's been a while since they've won, and I think they really want to take back a title.
3. Seven Lakes - They are out for blood, and WS is a good showing. Texas invitationals are good, so I think they can keep momentum.
4. Centerville - Centerville has dropped off just slightly in Ohio it seems, but no matter, I believe they can do top 4. They're always safe about their events, which is crucial for top nationals placings.
5. Adlai E. Stevenson - Daniel Wright's influence is about to hit it big for Stevenson. Seeing it first hand at Solon, I know what a dangerous MS does for HS.
6. New Trier - Like DW, Marie Murphy will help. The two IL teams will see a jump with a better infrastructure in place.
7. Harriton - They will have some dropoff because their seniors were good, but still will place top 10. Nonetheless, PA is strong, and they will keep at it to make sure they keep their state title, which will help them prepare for nationals.
8. Grand Haven - Though Grand Haven fell off a little last year, it never fails to come back to place historically. I think they've never placed out of top 10 in consecutive years, so I'm not banking on that to happen.
9. Fayetteville-Manlius - I think F-M has the potential to be in the top 5, but to me (wholly outsiders perspective), it seems like F-M focuses on medalling in certain events, but they can definitely get into top 10.
10. Mounds View - I think Luo has the biggest contribution, and him not being on the team will be a slight loss. Nonetheless, definitely see top 10 as a possibility.

Contenders: WWP-South, Penncrest, Camas, Mira Loma, LASA, Poudre
Reasons for not including LASA or Mira Loma: teams that didn't make it to nationals the previous year really have a harder time placing again (see: Penncrest, last year). WWP-South and Penncrest definitely have potential. Camas always seems to be in that 11th-15th range, as well as Poudre. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Please, don't take my rankings too seriously. I'm just trying to have some fun.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Crazy Puny Man » March 19th, 2014, 1:33 pm

MMeteorite1 wrote:Not even sure if Centerville makes it out of Ohio. With that being said, where does Munster, Indiana fit into the discussion?


While it's true that we defeated Adlai Stevenson & New Trier at Palatine, New Trier's much more recent performance at West Liberty Salem forces me to reconsider where we stand relative to them.

I can only hope...

On a side note, Indiana states this weekend! :shock: Will update y'all as soon as I can :P

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Unome » March 19th, 2014, 3:29 pm

kentuckyfan1001 wrote:Since I'm sorta out of scioly for a while, I'm not too concerned about posing my rankings. Please take my reasonings with a grain of salt; I'm obviously not that in the know and am speculating for most things.

I have a tie at the top because I think it's hard to say.
1. Solon - Yes, Solon has fallen behind in terms of depth, but I believe they have what it takes to win.
1. Troy - Consistency is key, and Troy proves to be always a safe pick for top 4. It's been a while since they've won, and I think they really want to take back a title.
3. Seven Lakes - They are out for blood, and WS is a good showing. Texas invitationals are good, so I think they can keep momentum.
4. Centerville - Centerville has dropped off just slightly in Ohio it seems, but no matter, I believe they can do top 4. They're always safe about their events, which is crucial for top nationals placings.
5. Adlai E. Stevenson - Daniel Wright's influence is about to hit it big for Stevenson. Seeing it first hand at Solon, I know what a dangerous MS does for HS.
6. New Trier - Like DW, Marie Murphy will help. The two IL teams will see a jump with a better infrastructure in place.
7. Harriton - They will have some dropoff because their seniors were good, but still will place top 10. Nonetheless, PA is strong, and they will keep at it to make sure they keep their state title, which will help them prepare for nationals.
8. Grand Haven - Though Grand Haven fell off a little last year, it never fails to come back to place historically. I think they've never placed out of top 10 in consecutive years, so I'm not banking on that to happen.
9. Fayetteville-Manlius - I think F-M has the potential to be in the top 5, but to me (wholly outsiders perspective), it seems like F-M focuses on medalling in certain events, but they can definitely get into top 10.
10. Mounds View - I think Luo has the biggest contribution, and him not being on the team will be a slight loss. Nonetheless, definitely see top 10 as a possibility.

Contenders: WWP-South, Penncrest, Camas, Mira Loma, LASA, Poudre
Reasons for not including LASA or Mira Loma: teams that didn't make it to nationals the previous year really have a harder time placing again (see: Penncrest, last year). WWP-South and Penncrest definitely have potential. Camas always seems to be in that 11th-15th range, as well as Poudre. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Please, don't take my rankings too seriously. I'm just trying to have some fun.


Well, it's the first one I've seen with significant depth. I'm not in div C so i have no idea.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby fozendog » March 19th, 2014, 4:46 pm

@Kentucky
Interesting... Troy & Solon will be close, but I think Solon will still win.
Poudre as a contender is interesting, definitely possible with their strong builds, but some studies are weak from last year.

My Top Ten:
1. Solon---Consistent team, but new coach could be a problem.
2. Troy---Always in the top. Early in the year at invites they did extremely well and most likely improved
3. Centerville---Consistent Ohio team, close between 3 and 4.
4. Seven Lakes---Done well throughout the year, close between 3 and 4.
5. Harriton---Lost a lot of their amazing seniors, will likely drop some places.
6. New Trier---Close between 6-8.
7. Adlai E. Stevenson---Close between 6-8.
8. Fayetteville-Manlius---Close between 6-8, interesting to see how they do without WM even at states to push them.
9. West Windsor Plainsboro South---Probably will improve from their 12th.
10. [Camas(a bit biased)/Mira Loma/Grand Haven]*

*Mira Loma---Lost by one point to Palo Alto, fighting to win and make a come back after a year off.
Grand Haven---Likely to come back from last year.
Camas---...We'll see ;)
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Crazy Puny Man » March 19th, 2014, 5:19 pm

fozendog wrote:@Kentucky
Interesting... Troy & Solon will be close, but I think Solon will still win.
Poudre as a contender is interesting, definitely possible with their strong builds, but some studies are weak from last year.

My Top Ten:
1. Solon---Consistent team, but new coach could be a problem.
2. Troy---Always in the top. Early in the year at invites they did extremely well and most likely improved
3. Centerville---Consistent Ohio team, close between 3 and 4.
4. Seven Lakes---Done well throughout the year, close between 3 and 4.
5. Harriton---Lost a lot of their amazing seniors, will likely drop some places.
6. New Trier---Close between 6-8.
7. Adlai E. Stevenson---Close between 6-8.
8. Fayetteville-Manlius---Close between 6-8, interesting to see how they do without WM even at states to push them.
9. West Windsor Plainsboro South---Probably will improve from their 12th.
10. [Camas(a bit biased)/Mira Loma/Grand Haven]*

*Mira Loma---Lost by one point to Palo Alto, fighting to win and make a come back after a year off.
Grand Haven---Likely to come back from last year.
Camas---...We'll see ;)


I knew there were lots of great teams and our chances were on the slim side but...wow :o

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Cheese_Muffin_Man » March 20th, 2014, 7:39 pm

Crazy Puny Man wrote:
fozendog wrote:@Kentucky
Interesting... Troy & Solon will be close, but I think Solon will still win.
Poudre as a contender is interesting, definitely possible with their strong builds, but some studies are weak from last year.

My Top Ten:
1. Solon---Consistent team, but new coach could be a problem.
2. Troy---Always in the top. Early in the year at invites they did extremely well and most likely improved
3. Centerville---Consistent Ohio team, close between 3 and 4.
4. Seven Lakes---Done well throughout the year, close between 3 and 4.
5. Harriton---Lost a lot of their amazing seniors, will likely drop some places.
6. New Trier---Close between 6-8.
7. Adlai E. Stevenson---Close between 6-8.
8. Fayetteville-Manlius---Close between 6-8, interesting to see how they do without WM even at states to push them.
9. West Windsor Plainsboro South---Probably will improve from their 12th.
10. [Camas(a bit biased)/Mira Loma/Grand Haven]*

*Mira Loma---Lost by one point to Palo Alto, fighting to win and make a come back after a year off.
Grand Haven---Likely to come back from last year.
Camas---...We'll see ;)


I knew there were lots of great teams and our chances were on the slim side but...wow :o


Which of these teams do you guys think is best at builds?

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby nxtscholar » March 20th, 2014, 7:49 pm

Well, doing it based on last year's results solely, we see that Harriton HS placed the most (I think in all actually) of the the build events. :P

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Cheese_Muffin_Man » March 20th, 2014, 7:52 pm

nxtscholar wrote:Well, doing it based on last year's results solely, we see that Harriton HS placed the most (I think in all actually) of the the build events. :P

Ooo good call

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby fozendog » March 20th, 2014, 8:13 pm

nxtscholar wrote:Well, doing it based on last year's results solely, we see that Harriton HS placed the most (I think in all actually) of the the build events. :P

But a lot of their seniors left and many of them have changed. One of their seniors who won most of the builds left, so I'm not sure if they will do as amazing in those as last year's results would tell.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby nxtscholar » March 20th, 2014, 8:18 pm

fozendog wrote:
nxtscholar wrote:Well, doing it based on last year's results solely, we see that Harriton HS placed the most (I think in all actually) of the the build events. :P

But a lot of their seniors left and many of them have changed. One of their seniors who won most of the builds left, so I'm not sure if they will do as amazing in those as last year's results would tell.


I reiterate "based on last year's results solely." But what's to prevent that senior to come back and help out with the efforts. I mean, in terms of build events, I fail to see why a person can't leave behind tips, blueprints, drawings, etc. Testing events, it's more evident what the gap left behind graduating members will be...but I think you can always work around the graduation problem with build events.

But then again, what would I know about the national level :P

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » March 20th, 2014, 8:22 pm

Well he could, but he's probably also kinda busy at Penn State. ;) I would expect them to be strong, but they probably won't match the same performance.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby MHSscioly_1 » March 21st, 2014, 7:39 am

What do you think are Mason's or Mentor's chances of beating out either Solon or Centerville to get to Nationals this year? Based only off of Wright State, Mason seemed to have a strong team this year, but I'm not sure how they've done at other invitationals. Also, Mentor beat both Solon and Centerville at West Liberty Salem.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby hmcginny » March 21st, 2014, 10:03 am

nxtscholar wrote:
fozendog wrote:
nxtscholar wrote:Well, doing it based on last year's results solely, we see that Harriton HS placed the most (I think in all actually) of the the build events. :P

But a lot of their seniors left and many of them have changed. One of their seniors who won most of the builds left, so I'm not sure if they will do as amazing in those as last year's results would tell.


I reiterate "based on last year's results solely." But what's to prevent that senior to come back and help out with the efforts. I mean, in terms of build events, I fail to see why a person can't leave behind tips, blueprints, drawings, etc. Testing events, it's more evident what the gap left behind graduating members will be...but I think you can always work around the graduation problem with build events.

But then again, what would I know about the national level :P


I think it's actually harder to work around the graduation problem for building events. For study/lab events there are cheat sheets, binders, numerous old tests and systems for success in place. The younger people involved in the event can fairly easily step up into the roles left by the graduating class in a lot of cases for that. Building seems to be a bit different, yes some people leave behind tips or drawings, or in a lot of cases their old devices. But a lot of what goes into building successfully is more than just having some references to work off of. If you were given pictures of a nationals winning device, it's usually not easy to figure out exactly what went into it and how one actually constructs it.

Not to say that Harriton won't come out and do well in builds, but I'd say there's more turn over with success in building events than with studies.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Jdogg » March 21st, 2014, 12:28 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:Well he could, but he's probably also kinda busy at Penn State. ;) I would expect them to be strong, but they probably won't match the same performance.

Lol it has been quite a busy last month... Thanks for all the kind words. But I have to agree with hmcginny. I have faith in those that have taken over the build events from me. They are very capable.

I must also say that although I left behind and worked with several kids and gave tips (always willing to when I have time for any team). It is really hard to judge how a team will do when you leave, but I think Harriton has been doing a excellent job this year.

I fully expect the two teams that represent pa to place top 10 at nationals. I think you will see the trend of 2 top 10 teams from pa again after the 2 years of the second team placing 14th. The competition has gotten very very competitive. I also think that will help PA as a whole over the next few years. I can easily see pa becoming the new ohio in c division. Frankly the top 5 teams from the SE regional in PA are all national caliber teams. Even last year I had a lower total summation of points at nationals then I did at the PA state tournament (13 in 6 events to the 8 in 5 events at nationals). So I think that also speaks to how competitive of a competition PA truly is.

All of that said, with the loss of 11 seniors (7 that competed), the juniors and other underclassmen have stepped up to fill the large shoes from last year. This is due to motivation that the students put on themselves to succeed in all legacy schools. (Also sorry to anyone that has asked me for the circuit lab key. I had to pull a few all nighters this week to do some work, I will post them most likely very early tmr morning around 2-3am.)
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby taaffeite » March 21st, 2014, 8:46 pm

" FM hasn't been as strong recently, and LASA hasn't exactly been a powerhouse (they didn't even make nats last year). Ward had the worst luck of the bunch, they won't be there. What does this mean? "

Wouldn't count FM out. There was a new coach last year since their coach retired after making Nationals 14 straight years. They still came in 8th at Nationals with the new coach. And now the coach isn't new. They were strong at states with 10 Gold and 5 silver medals. Seems strong to me.


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