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Appeals

Posted: April 26th, 2009, 3:03 pm
by sr243
How do you send an appeal? I had my state competition on saturday and the scrambler event seemed wrong. The floor was a rubbery carpet which had a lot of friction. They didn't have a form on my website. BTW i'm from wisconsin.

Re: Appeals

Posted: April 26th, 2009, 3:19 pm
by andrewwski
You have to appeal within an hour after the event is over. Long before the end of the competition. You're SOL now.

Re: Appeals

Posted: April 27th, 2009, 12:55 pm
by smartkid222
This is question is unrelated to this thread (Phenylethylamine you can answer this too). How exactly do you make an appeal? Under what conditions would you make an appeal? and what exactly is an appeal?
you can make an appeal under almost any condidtion as long as yuo havn't removed ur car from impound. Just talk to your coaches-or if they saw it, have them go and get an appeal form. For Scrambler we appealed along with Eagle Hill(we lost) because Wellwoods coaches saw it and knew the same thing happend to Eagle Hill so we talked to them and the coaches decided to get a form and appeal.
you have to do it on the day of the competition and your coach fills out the form.

Re: Appeals

Posted: April 27th, 2009, 1:45 pm
by Phenylethylamine
Appeals generally have to be filed some time between when you finish the event and about an hour before the awards ceremony. This is why our coach insists that we tell him how every event went right after we come back from it.

However, if every team competed under the same conditions- even if said conditions are far outside the rules, or give an advantage to certain teams over others for some reason- the appeal is unlikely to be honored, just because of the sheer hassle involved.

Re: Appeals

Posted: April 27th, 2009, 1:51 pm
by fleet130
The appeal policy/procedure varies widely from tournament to tournament, so you need to contact the organizers of your tournament for instructions. It can be as permissive as "anything goes' to 'the judge's decision is final', absolutely no appeals allowed. As others have indicated, there is usually a fairly short time period during which appeals may be made concerning events at a tournament.

In your case, it's doubtful an appeal would have produced any results. While the floor surface was not optimum and not what you expected, it was the same for all contestants. The only remedy would be to throw out the entire event. Tournament committees are reluctant to do that unless teams experience significantly differing conditions.

There is a movement to allow appeals only for actions of the judges and to prohibit those concerning another team's actions. You could appeal that a judge didn't apply a rule evenly, but you couldn't appeal that another team's device didn't meet the rule.

Re: Appeals

Posted: May 2nd, 2009, 5:44 pm
by sr243
Well, guess what, the appeal i sent didn't work, BUT someone else worked. We received notice of the new results 5 days after the competition. They took out robo-cross which half the teams got dqed. I think they meant 2nd tiered but they took out the event. Now my team is 3rd, 1st time we get a trophy.

Re: Appeals

Posted: May 2nd, 2009, 8:17 pm
by andrewwski
The appeal policy/procedure varies widely from tournament to tournament, so you need to contact the organizers of your tournament for instructions. It can be as permissive as "anything goes' to 'the judge's decision is final', absolutely no appeals allowed. As others have indicated, there is usually a fairly short time period during which appeals may be made concerning events at a tournament.

In your case, it's doubtful an appeal would have produced any results. While the floor surface was not optimum and not what you expected, it was the same for all contestants. The only remedy would be to throw out the entire event. Tournament committees are reluctant to do that unless teams experience significantly differing conditions.

There is a movement to allow appeals only for actions of the judges and to prohibit those concerning another team's actions. You could appeal that a judge didn't apply a rule evenly, but you couldn't appeal that another team's device didn't meet the rule.
That sounds like it could be fair. If I notice a team that didn't meet the rules, first I'll tell the supervisor. Then they'll be fully aware of it, and they should enforce the rule themselves. If they still don't, then it's time to follow an appeal, and since the supervisor already was informed of the wrongdoing, you could appeal that the rule wasn't applied properly.

I only had one experience with an appeal and it did end fairly. Three out of the top five teams in Wright Stuff last year violated the rule about the non-transparent non-horizontal surface. The supervisor didn't read the rules carefully, and was unaware of the rule. When informed, she said she couldn't do anything because she had already allowed those teams to fly. That made no sense to me, as she still could have second tiered them. So we appealed, and they did not accept it, under the grounds that the supervisor was not aware of the rule prior to the tournament, so thus could not enforce it.

How pathetic. If the event judge can't read the specs, then what is that teaching the students?