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Re: Northern California

Postby starpug » April 8th, 2009, 1:18 pm

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49ersfan wrote:Great job! :o You live in my area, so I know you, EASTstroudsburg13. way to make the Northern Californians mad!

(By the way, this is my first post ever.)

Oh thanks


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Re: Northern California

Postby soobsession » April 8th, 2009, 1:44 pm

Hmm...just so happened to click on the NorCal thread (I mean, nobody's gonna post on the NJ thread, Community won, again, for like the 8th time in a row...that will change next year), but you guys have your competitions late! We've got Regionals in Jan., States in March., and obviously Nats in May, but we're not going to Nats. Sorry, I had to post that. :roll: And just out of curiosity, by A team and B team, do you mean like A div. and B div...otherwise we don't have that here.

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Re: Northern California

Postby danger will robinson » April 9th, 2009, 12:26 pm

For the schools that have a large amount of people that want to do SO, schools field two teams, the A team and the B team. The A team (generally) has the older, more experienced people. Unfortunatly, a school can have 2 teams at Regionals, but can only field 1 team for States. Whichever one does better goes.
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Re: Northern California

Postby starpug » April 9th, 2009, 12:57 pm

danger will robinson wrote:For the schools that have a large amount of people that want to do SO, schools field two teams, the A team and the B team. The A team (generally) has the older, more experienced people. Unfortunatly, a school can have 2 teams at Regionals, but can only field 1 team for States. Whichever one does better goes.

One of the other rules that they have is that if you are on the B team at regional and the A team places above the B and is the one that goes to states, then there is no changing teams you have to be on the alternates list or the competing for the A team at regional in order to compete at states. :|
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Re: Northern California

Postby soobsession » April 9th, 2009, 1:00 pm

starpug wrote:
danger will robinson wrote:For the schools that have a large amount of people that want to do SO, schools field two teams, the A team and the B team. The A team (generally) has the older, more experienced people. Unfortunatly, a school can have 2 teams at Regionals, but can only field 1 team for States. Whichever one does better goes.

One of the other rules that they have is that if you are on the B team at regional and the A team places above the B and is the one that goes to states, then there is no changing teams you have to be on the alternates list or the competing for the A team at regional in order to compete at states. :|


Oh...that kind of sucks...I'm actually kind of glad we only have one team in my school. But then there's (the team that shall not be named)...grrr... :|

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Re: Northern California

Postby jazzy009 » April 9th, 2009, 1:12 pm

we got that rule removed in minnesota. our school has three teams (one true team). my coach got the rule removed so people like me last year could be on the state team 8-) the ironic thing is that last year at state i did terrible!
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Re: Northern California

Postby soobsession » April 9th, 2009, 1:43 pm

oh, our school has one team and one team only. one team for regionals. one team for states...yeah...one team.

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Re: Northern California

Postby sachleen » April 10th, 2009, 8:26 am

I hate this whole 2 team thing. There should be a rule capping it to 15 people PER SCHOOL. At our state, there are 15 blanks on the list to write the 15 people's names. No alternates, no second team, none of that. I understand that some schools have alot of people that want to participate, but limiting it to 15 per school will make it more fair for everyone else. The way I see it, the only point of a B team (apart from letting more people participate) is to take points away from other schools and give your A team that extra buffer they need to win.

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Re: Northern California

Postby starpug » April 10th, 2009, 8:35 am

tehkubix wrote:I hate this whole 2 team thing. There should be a rule capping it to 15 people PER SCHOOL. At our state, there are 15 blanks on the list to write the 15 people's names. No alternates, no second team, none of that. I understand that some schools have alot of people that want to participate, but limiting it to 15 per school will make it more fair for everyone else. The way I see it, the only point of a B team (apart from letting more people participate) is to take points away from other schools and give your A team that extra buffer they need to win.

What about experiance kube, a B team grants experiance to kids at high participation schools. By being on a B team it allows you to gain experiance at competition at a time when you wouldn't be able to because the A team is all 8th and 9th Graders (B Division) and Seniors and Juniors and a couple sophmores (High School). I don't know why your complaining about B teams taking points from you, I mean our B team did good for the amount of time we had but we weren't constantly in the top 5. I never beat you guys none of my events beat franklin :|.
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Re: Northern California

Postby sachleen » April 10th, 2009, 9:17 am

I wasn't using myself as an example (not for this year at least). No other team can get the points that your B team gets, making your A team stronger. So lets take Churchill A and B for example. They took 1st and 2nd respectively at Regionals. If 3rd place (Arden A) wanted to win, they'd have to beat both Churchill teams. If Churchill B wasn't a team, moving everyone up one point per event, Arden may have won (I don't have the score sheet so I can't actually do it). So Churchill adding a B team created the buffer they needed to win 1st.

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Re: Northern California

Postby starpug » April 10th, 2009, 9:23 am

tehkubix wrote:I wasn't using myself as an example (not for this year at least). No other team can get the points that your B team gets, making your A team stronger. So lets take Churchill A and B for example. They took 1st and 2nd respectively at Regionals. If 3rd place (Arden A) wanted to win, they'd have to beat both Churchill teams. If Churchill B wasn't a team, moving everyone up one point per event, Arden may have won (I don't have the score sheet so I can't actually do it). So Churchill adding a B team created the buffer they needed to win 1st.

Well that depends on how much Churchill A beat Arden A by
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Re: Northern California

Postby sachleen » April 10th, 2009, 9:24 am

starpug wrote:Well that depends on how much Churchill A beat Arden A by

Right, even if it didn't happen in the example i used for this year's regional competition, the idea is still the same and it can happen.

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Re: Northern California

Postby starpug » April 10th, 2009, 9:32 am

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starpug wrote:Well that depends on how much Churchill A beat Arden A by

Right, even if it didn't happen in the example i used for this year's regional competition, the idea is still the same and it can happen.

Yes you do have a point, but as long as 3 different schools go onto states then it doesn't matter, because states decides who goes to nationals. So who cares, besides maybe ego and confidence, what the team places are at regionals if 3 teams can still go on to states. It's not like winning regionals gives you bonus points at states. There are no B teams at states to lower and boost teams so in the end B teams don't really effect who's going to nationals and who isn't.
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Re: Northern California

Postby sachleen » April 10th, 2009, 10:03 am

starpug wrote:Yes you do have a point, but as long as 3 different schools go onto states then it doesn't matter, because states decides who goes to nationals. So who cares, besides maybe ego and confidence, what the team places are at regionals if 3 teams can still go on to states. It's not like winning regionals gives you bonus points at states. There are no B teams at states to lower and boost teams so in the end B teams don't really effect who's going to nationals and who isn't.

I understand where you're coming from, you can't agree with me because if it were that way, you wouldn't be doing S.O. Everything would be simpler if it were just 15 people per school, even the whole alternate stuff, whats the point of that? There are no alternates at state (this year at least) and I don't know about nats. If someone can't compete for whatever reason, you can throw in an alternate, but they're gonna fail anyway (unless that person happens to know a lot about that event and was studying for it, but that's unlikely).

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Re: Northern California

Postby Untitled » April 10th, 2009, 9:04 pm

Well if you cap it at 15 people per school, people can't get the opportunity to compete and have the sci oly experience. Especially if you are in a big school with lots of competitive college nazis around you. I mean sure life would be a lot easier without b teams but you can't take that experience away from those who want it.
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