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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby SPP SciO » March 7th, 2016, 10:14 am

Quick question about "field guides" -

Our students have been using the Audobon guide, as well as this book: http://www.amazon.com/Prehistoric-Life- ... 075669910X They've been using the internet to prepare their binder. Since the rules allow for "one published field guide," would it be allowable (if not necessarily advisable) to cut out the relevant pages of the Audobon guide, add them to the binder, and bring the "Prehistoric Life" book as their published reference? I'm hesitant only because it doesn't say "field guide" explicitly. It's a beautiful book, and the glossary is super helpful - it doesn't have that many specific fossils from the list, but that's what the binder is for. Any thoughts or similar experiences are appreciated.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Unome » March 7th, 2016, 3:15 pm

Quick question about "field guides" -

Our students have been using the Audobon guide, as well as this book: http://www.amazon.com/Prehistoric-Life- ... 075669910X They've been using the internet to prepare their binder. Since the rules allow for "one published field guide," would it be allowable (if not necessarily advisable) to cut out the relevant pages of the Audobon guide, add them to the binder, and bring the "Prehistoric Life" book as their published reference? I'm hesitant only because it doesn't say "field guide" explicitly. It's a beautiful book, and the glossary is super helpful - it doesn't have that many specific fossils from the list, but that's what the binder is for. Any thoughts or similar experiences are appreciated.
Since your tournaments are probably coming up soon, they probably won't have time to type up the info from Audobon and print it out for their binder (this is what I would normally recommend). Generally it's allowable to put parts of a field guide in the binder (actually I read a post once by someone who hole-punched a field guide for their binder :ugeek: ), although of course you should be prepared for an ES to disallow it on tournament day; it's one of those things that can go either way, depending on the supervisor.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby SPP SciO » March 7th, 2016, 6:51 pm

Quick question about "field guides" -

Our students have been using the Audobon guide, as well as this book: http://www.amazon.com/Prehistoric-Life- ... 075669910X They've been using the internet to prepare their binder. Since the rules allow for "one published field guide," would it be allowable (if not necessarily advisable) to cut out the relevant pages of the Audobon guide, add them to the binder, and bring the "Prehistoric Life" book as their published reference? I'm hesitant only because it doesn't say "field guide" explicitly. It's a beautiful book, and the glossary is super helpful - it doesn't have that many specific fossils from the list, but that's what the binder is for. Any thoughts or similar experiences are appreciated.
Since your tournaments are probably coming up soon, they probably won't have time to type up the info from Audobon and print it out for their binder (this is what I would normally recommend). Generally it's allowable to put parts of a field guide in the binder (actually I read a post once by someone who hole-punched a field guide for their binder :ugeek: ), although of course you should be prepared for an ES to disallow it on tournament day; it's one of those things that can go either way, depending on the supervisor.
Yeah- they were thinking of just cutting out the relevant pages and putting them in sheet protectors. I don't see any reason why that wouldn't be a good idea (besides the cost of the book!)

However, I'm concerned that "one published field guide" is strictly defined, perhaps excluding textbooks or encyclopedias. If I were the ES I'd interpret it as "one published book" but I suppose that's discretionary. Will try to check before precious "last minutes" are wasted!
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby GoofyFoofer » March 7th, 2016, 8:14 pm

Quick question about "field guides" -

Our students have been using the Audobon guide, as well as this book: http://www.amazon.com/Prehistoric-Life- ... 075669910X They've been using the internet to prepare their binder. Since the rules allow for "one published field guide," would it be allowable (if not necessarily advisable) to cut out the relevant pages of the Audobon guide, add them to the binder, and bring the "Prehistoric Life" book as their published reference? I'm hesitant only because it doesn't say "field guide" explicitly. It's a beautiful book, and the glossary is super helpful - it doesn't have that many specific fossils from the list, but that's what the binder is for. Any thoughts or similar experiences are appreciated.
I've always seen it as one field guide and one binder allowed. Pages from separate field guides are allowed as long as they are hole-punched into the binder/placed in sheet protector (that's how I see it). Perhaps submitting a rules clarification?
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Cheesy Pie » March 8th, 2016, 6:21 am

Honestly, it depends on the proctor. I've had really chill proctors who have let me holepunch an entire field guide and put it in my binder, and just called it "clever," and I've had ones with no chill. Even though what I did is technically allowed, it's kind of pushing the rules. I think it's fine to copy pages from another field guide and put them in the binder, but that's just me, and I probably push the rules a little too much.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby ReverseCold » March 18th, 2016, 10:27 am

Does anyone want to trade Fossils Tests?
I have tests from the
Muscatel Invitational
Kraemer Invitational
Mesa Robles Invitational
Ladera Vista Invitational

they're all good, up to date (2016), tests from some of the best teams in SoCal which you can use to help your team practice. I'd like to trade for tests that are from other invitationals/regionals in other states! Thanks!

(I'll post them publicly after Nationals, for now they stay secret :P )
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby varunscs11 » March 18th, 2016, 11:22 am

Does anyone want to trade Fossils Tests?
I have tests from the
Muscatel Invitational
Kraemer Invitational
Mesa Robles Invitational
Ladera Vista Invitational

they're all good, up to date (2016), tests from some of the best teams in SoCal which you can use to help your team practice. I'd like to trade for tests that are from other invitationals/regionals in other states! Thanks!

(I'll post them publicly after Nationals, for now they stay secret :P )
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » March 18th, 2016, 12:22 pm

I think there's a Scioly.org policy against test trading, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Unome » March 18th, 2016, 1:57 pm

I think there's a Scioly.org policy against test trading, but I could be wrong.
I've never found it written out in an official-looking post, but I generally just quote this (from Ohio 2015):
Please know that as a site, we do not allow advertisements of private test trades, since the Test Exchange is the official home of online tests. If you are willing to trade tests to others, please post the tests to the Test Exchange so that all may have access to it, not just those who give you a test in return.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby ReverseCold » March 18th, 2016, 2:55 pm

I think there's a Scioly.org policy against test trading, but I could be wrong.
I've never found it written out in an official-looking post, but I generally just quote this (from Ohio 2015):
Please know that as a site, we do not allow advertisements of private test trades, since the Test Exchange is the official home of online tests. If you are willing to trade tests to others, please post the tests to the Test Exchange so that all may have access to it, not just those who give you a test in return.
How about if we both make our tests public as a 'trade' - I feel like people won't post tests unless given something in return, so hence trading.
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