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Post by Unome » June 5th, 2019, 9:19 am

NSCDS3RdCaptain wrote:Thank you for that information. I had not yet known this. @syo_astro, I completely agree with you. However, I feel that the event is a bit too narrow in scope, especially when compared to other events.
That's interesting, many people would say it's too broad.
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Post by TheCrazyChemist » June 5th, 2019, 5:02 pm

Unome wrote:
NSCDS3RdCaptain wrote:Thank you for that information. I had not yet known this. @syo_astro, I completely agree with you. However, I feel that the event is a bit too narrow in scope, especially when compared to other events.
That's interesting, many people would say it's too broad.
I've competed in this event for a bit, and I've got to agree with Unome. I feel like it is too broad. Some tests will be the basic stuff that you learn in Chemistry and others will be insanely weird/hard *cough cough CT States cough cough*

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Post by NSCDS3RdCaptain » June 5th, 2019, 9:32 pm

I had never heard this, as I never go out of IL for SciOly, and all the invite, regional, and state tests that I have taken have practically all tested the same material.
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Post by whythelongface » June 7th, 2019, 11:41 am

bernard wrote:
daydreamer0023 wrote:Chalker, can you create a couple of Division D events so us Scioly alums can have fun? :)
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Post by Things2do » June 24th, 2019, 1:05 pm

Chalker, could you by chance add something to the rules, especially for build events, that would allow coaches to compete in any vacant time slots in events? Not to compete with students, but just for fun, and perhaps a cheap trophy. Something like a wooden spoon with the competition written on it or the like; at the competition/E.S.'s discretion... And, if any competitor were to need the timeslot, they should get it, even if there's already a coach scheduled for it.

I specifically mentioned build events because, to my knowledge, they wouldn't be too hard to accommodate more competitors in the vacant timeslots, if there are any. Whereas, study events would involve more grading time, which would detract from the competitors' experience and the timelines of the Awards Ceremony.

I also mention coaches to encourage alumni to help with a Science Olympiad team, even if they've moved and can no longer help with their own. If you don't have the time to help coach, do you really have the time to make something for a competition that's just for fun?
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Post by chalker » June 25th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Things2do wrote:Chalker, could you by chance add something to the rules, especially for build events, that would allow coaches to compete in any vacant time slots in events? Not to compete with students, but just for fun, and perhaps a cheap trophy. Something like a wooden spoon with the competition written on it or the like; at the competition/E.S.'s discretion... And, if any competitor were to need the timeslot, they should get it, even if there's already a coach scheduled for it.

I specifically mentioned build events because, to my knowledge, they wouldn't be too hard to accommodate more competitors in the vacant timeslots, if there are any. Whereas, study events would involve more grading time, which would detract from the competitors' experience and the timelines of the Awards Ceremony.

I also mention coaches to encourage alumni to help with a Science Olympiad team, even if they've moved and can no longer help with their own. If you don't have the time to help coach, do you really have the time to make something for a competition that's just for fun?
Interesting idea, but I think you are underestimating what event supervisors of build events are doing during 'empty slots'. Most event have a lot of scoresheets and data to process and enter into spreadsheets for final tabulation, which often is done during this time. Even if they have down time, having coaches compete like you describe wouldn't occupy only those empty slots. It would also require additional time to enter their scores (into ANOTHER scoring system,which hopefully doesn't get messed up with the 'real' scoring system), plus then tabulate the results to determine who is the winner. Finally, at most large tournaments, there AREN'T really any empty slots. They are almost fully booked.

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Post by Things2do » June 25th, 2019, 7:25 pm

chalker wrote:
Things2do wrote:Chalker, could you by chance add something to the rules, especially for build events, that would allow coaches to compete in any vacant time slots in events? Not to compete with students, but just for fun, and perhaps a cheap trophy. Something like a wooden spoon with the competition written on it or the like; at the competition/E.S.'s discretion... And, if any competitor were to need the timeslot, they should get it, even if there's already a coach scheduled for it.

I specifically mentioned build events because, to my knowledge, they wouldn't be too hard to accommodate more competitors in the vacant timeslots, if there are any. Whereas, study events would involve more grading time, which would detract from the competitors' experience and the timelines of the Awards Ceremony.

I also mention coaches to encourage alumni to help with a Science Olympiad team, even if they've moved and can no longer help with their own. If you don't have the time to help coach, do you really have the time to make something for a competition that's just for fun?
Interesting idea, but I think you are underestimating what event supervisors of build events are doing during 'empty slots'. Most event have a lot of scoresheets and data to process and enter into spreadsheets for final tabulation, which often is done during this time. Even if they have down time, having coaches compete like you describe wouldn't occupy only those empty slots. It would also require additional time to enter their scores (into ANOTHER scoring system,which hopefully doesn't get messed up with the 'real' scoring system), plus then tabulate the results to determine who is the winner. Finally, at most large tournaments, there AREN'T really any empty slots. They are almost fully booked.
I was afraid that I was underestimating the extra effort that would be required, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
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Post by sciolyperson1 » June 27th, 2019, 5:45 pm

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
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Post by builderguy135 » June 27th, 2019, 6:05 pm

sciolyperson1 wrote:chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
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Post by TheCrazyChemist » June 27th, 2019, 7:37 pm

builderguy135 wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
cough cough cough cough GARNET VALLEY ROLLER COASTER
they literally tiered the 1st place roller coaster in the nation smfh >: (
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