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Postby chalker » June 25th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Chalker, could you by chance add something to the rules, especially for build events, that would allow coaches to compete in any vacant time slots in events? Not to compete with students, but just for fun, and perhaps a cheap trophy. Something like a wooden spoon with the competition written on it or the like; at the competition/E.S.'s discretion... And, if any competitor were to need the timeslot, they should get it, even if there's already a coach scheduled for it.

I specifically mentioned build events because, to my knowledge, they wouldn't be too hard to accommodate more competitors in the vacant timeslots, if there are any. Whereas, study events would involve more grading time, which would detract from the competitors' experience and the timelines of the Awards Ceremony.

I also mention coaches to encourage alumni to help with a Science Olympiad team, even if they've moved and can no longer help with their own. If you don't have the time to help coach, do you really have the time to make something for a competition that's just for fun?
Interesting idea, but I think you are underestimating what event supervisors of build events are doing during 'empty slots'. Most event have a lot of scoresheets and data to process and enter into spreadsheets for final tabulation, which often is done during this time. Even if they have down time, having coaches compete like you describe wouldn't occupy only those empty slots. It would also require additional time to enter their scores (into ANOTHER scoring system,which hopefully doesn't get messed up with the 'real' scoring system), plus then tabulate the results to determine who is the winner. Finally, at most large tournaments, there AREN'T really any empty slots. They are almost fully booked.

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Postby Things2do » June 25th, 2019, 7:25 pm

Chalker, could you by chance add something to the rules, especially for build events, that would allow coaches to compete in any vacant time slots in events? Not to compete with students, but just for fun, and perhaps a cheap trophy. Something like a wooden spoon with the competition written on it or the like; at the competition/E.S.'s discretion... And, if any competitor were to need the timeslot, they should get it, even if there's already a coach scheduled for it.

I specifically mentioned build events because, to my knowledge, they wouldn't be too hard to accommodate more competitors in the vacant timeslots, if there are any. Whereas, study events would involve more grading time, which would detract from the competitors' experience and the timelines of the Awards Ceremony.

I also mention coaches to encourage alumni to help with a Science Olympiad team, even if they've moved and can no longer help with their own. If you don't have the time to help coach, do you really have the time to make something for a competition that's just for fun?
Interesting idea, but I think you are underestimating what event supervisors of build events are doing during 'empty slots'. Most event have a lot of scoresheets and data to process and enter into spreadsheets for final tabulation, which often is done during this time. Even if they have down time, having coaches compete like you describe wouldn't occupy only those empty slots. It would also require additional time to enter their scores (into ANOTHER scoring system,which hopefully doesn't get messed up with the 'real' scoring system), plus then tabulate the results to determine who is the winner. Finally, at most large tournaments, there AREN'T really any empty slots. They are almost fully booked.
I was afraid that I was underestimating the extra effort that would be required, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
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Postby sciolyperson1 » June 27th, 2019, 5:45 pm

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
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Postby builderguy135 » June 27th, 2019, 6:05 pm

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
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Postby TheCrazyChemist » June 27th, 2019, 7:37 pm

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
cough cough cough cough GARNET VALLEY ROLLER COASTER
they literally tiered the 1st place roller coaster in the nation smfh >: (
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Postby lavarball » June 27th, 2019, 9:00 pm

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
cough cough cough cough GARNET VALLEY ROLLER COASTER
they literally tiered the 1st place roller coaster in the nation smfh >: (
Well someone's salty despite their nationals medal.
It only makes sense to be salty when you win nationals for an event but have that happen to you at an invite. The man who tiered them really likes to tier though, that’s all I can say about that.
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Postby TheCrazyChemist » June 28th, 2019, 6:07 am


cough cough cough cough GARNET VALLEY ROLLER COASTER
they literally tiered the 1st place roller coaster in the nation smfh >: (
Well someone's salty despite their nationals medal.
It only makes sense to be salty when you win nationals for an event but have that happen to you at an invite. The man who tiered them really likes to tier though, that’s all I can say about that.
Oh, I think I might know him through his reputation.
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Postby chalker » June 29th, 2019, 7:01 am

chalker, could you implement a rule in which if a certain percentage of teams are tiered (let's say, 50%), then the event would be trialed - to prevent unreasonable supervisors from skewing team results too much?
I little internal SO politics for you all: I HATE tiering. I've pushed hard to eliminate it where ever possible as I think it unfairly amplifies certain penalties. It you notice, none of the Physics events have tiers, rather only penalties. I was able to get some of the Technology events one year to switch to penalties instead of tiers, but they promptly switched back the following year. That said, some event supervisors just have a 'gotcha' mentality, and regardless of whether its tiers or penalties, they are likely to overuse them instead of applying general rule #5: "Officials are encouraged to apply the least restrictive penalty for rules infractions "

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Postby SciolyMaster » July 1st, 2019, 10:01 am

Chalker, can I have Air Trajectory back in the 2020-21 season? I need redemption for forgetting to put the ball in our device, costing us our chance to medal at 2016 nats :cry:
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Postby Things2do » July 6th, 2019, 7:33 am

Chalker, would you perchance be willing to help a really small, largely unfunded team by send the 2019-2020 rules for Gravity Vehicle?
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