State Tournament Results

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby Azismith » April 25th, 2016, 10:02 am

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Division B:
1. Pilgrimage Homeschool (86)
2. North Bethesda Middle School (91)
3. Urbana Middle School (141)
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Correction:
Division B for Maryland-
1. North Bethesda Middle School (91)
2. Pilgrimage Homeschool (112)
3. Urbana Middle School (141)

Congratulations NBMS for (finally) beating Pilgrimage!! Now go to Nationals and CONQUER and REPRESENT MARYLANDDDDD!!!!!
Any word on what happened? Your change of scores (90 for NBMS actually) point to Pilgrimage initially being awarded 1st in Bottle Rockets and later being disqualified in the event.
Yes, our middle school team was DQed on bottle rockets when it should have been tier III at the worst. Our bottle rocket landed in a tree on the first run and on the roof of a building the second run (gotta say, our MS team's bottle rockets were amazing, but the venue was tiny w/lots of trees, so many teams' rockets got stuck in or on things). The first run, the ES told our team's parents that they could throw a football at the rocket to dislodge it from the tree, but the students had to be the only ones to touch the rocket. We did so. The second run, the ES said that they weren't willing to go on the roof (it was a flat roof, but it was wet and rainy outside); our kids (obviously) couldn't go out on the roof for safety reasons, but the ES told our parents that they could go out onto the roof to get the rocket and hand it directly inside to one of our students. The ES asked to see the rocket afterwards and gave us a tier I, when, yes, it probably should have been a tier III - since the ES basically deemed the rocket 'irretrievable', moved on to subsequent teams, and then revised our team's tier afterwards. Anyway, after the competition, NBMS protested, and MSO changed the score from 1st to DQed since, with the permission of the ES, our parents technically did help retrieve the rocket on the second run after the rocket had been deemed irretrievable by the judges and they had moved on to the next team. Regardless, though, of whether we received a DQ on the event or a Tier III, we would have lost a ton of points, and NB would have won. Congrats NBMS - We hope you all have an awesome time at nationals!!

That said, DQ is supposed to be reserved for instances of cheating and poor sportsmanship - and throughout this event, we followed the event supervisor's instructions. Additionally, parental help in retrieval didn't occur until *after* the ES told us that our rocket was irretrievable... they did also tell us that if we could get it off the roof (the person who got it off the roof was actually NOT one of our MS team's parents, but he was an HS team parent) they'd adjust the scoring. Regardless, though , throughout this event, our students and parents tried their hardest to follow ES instructions and play by the rules, so being DQed is sad. Tier III makes sense for this event, I think, - but being DQed implies that our team cheated and/or disregarded what the ES said. I wish the scores had better reflected the fact that we, as a team, try extremely hard to keep everything aboveboard and honest; however, I (and the rest of the MS and HS Pilgrimage teams) certainly respect MSOs decision on this matter and wish NBMS the best at nationals.

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby r00ki316 » April 25th, 2016, 11:29 am

Thanks for the explanation. I'm sure other competitions have had similar unwarranted tier/dq due to uncontrollable environmental factors such as space & weather. It's too sad that such an illogical rule was the deciding factor in qualification for Nationals. In my opinion, they should just use a weight and go by time. A good time with a broken/irretrievable egg just means it hit a tree or building on the way down that disrupted the rocket's glide down, neither of which should be grounds to penalize the competitors.

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby Alexcazam » April 25th, 2016, 12:46 pm

For those asking, I was one of the kids in Pilgrimage on the event Bottle Rocket. Our parents were told by the judge to go try to get the rockets, and even suggested getting a janitor to help them get it off the roof, and bring them back to see if the eggs were intact. And if they were then we would receive a tier 1, so, I'm not sure what we could have done differently. We followed the judge's directions. And I wish the best of luck to NBMS. #GOREPRESENTMD

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby maxxxxx » April 25th, 2016, 3:30 pm

Pennsylvania B:
1. Springhouse
2. Bala Cynwyd
3. Shady Side

Pennsylvania C:
1. Harriton (78)
2. Bayard Rustin (110)
3. Penncrest (150)
Do you know what the scores were for B division?
1. Springhouse (97)
2. BC (103)
3. Shady Side (150)
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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby JoJoKeKe » April 25th, 2016, 6:51 pm

To those interested:

There was a non-formal revision to the final score in Idaho Division B. Do note that this is NOT an official change, but medals were given to those in our team (St. Joseph's Catholic School) from the events under dispute.

Experimental Design was changed from 16th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.
Crime Busters was changed from 15th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.

This changes our score (again, do note that this is not official) from 113 to an 84. I believe that this is the best St. Joseph's Catholic School 'A' team has performed at the state competition.
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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby dcrxcode » April 25th, 2016, 7:02 pm

To those interested:

There was a non-formal revision to the final score in Idaho Division B. Do note that this is NOT an official change, but medals were given to those in our team (St. Joseph's Catholic School) from the events under dispute.

Experimental Design was changed from 16th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.
Crime Busters was changed from 15th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.

This changes our score (again, do note that this is not official) from 113 to an 84. I believe that this is the best St. Joseph's Catholic School 'A' team has performed at the state competition.
Why were these score changes instituted? Those seem like huge jumps.

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby JoJoKeKe » April 25th, 2016, 7:31 pm

To those interested:

There was a non-formal revision to the final score in Idaho Division B. Do note that this is NOT an official change, but medals were given to those in our team (St. Joseph's Catholic School) from the events under dispute.

Experimental Design was changed from 16th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.
Crime Busters was changed from 15th place to 1st place... medals were awarded to the competitors on our team participating in this event.

This changes our score (again, do note that this is not official) from 113 to an 84. I believe that this is the best St. Joseph's Catholic School 'A' team has performed at the state competition.
Why were these score changes instituted? Those seem like huge jumps.
You're right. I'm not 100% sure on the details of the score changes for both of these events, as I am not participating in either one of them, but from my understanding the poor rank in both of these events was attributed to an unread or neglected paper of the conclusion/analysis/data table. However, this occurring in two events seems strange to me as well. I don't know if it was a misunderstanding on the participants' side, or a neglect on the supervisors side to properly read through the experiment data / crime analysis, or a mix of both- obviously I do not want to misconstrue information that I'm not 100% knowledgeable about.

The only thing that I'm sure about is that gold medals were given to both the Crime Busters and Experimental Design team after official confirmation of the places. No official change to the overall team scores was implemented, however.
Tournaments (2016): State / Nationals
Fossils: 3 / 8
Disease: 7 / NA
Green Gen: NA / 37
Picture This: 1 / 17
Invasives: 1 / 24

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Rocks - 2
Microbe 2
Ecology 3
Optics 4
Invasives: 1

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » April 26th, 2016, 4:26 am

Does anyone know what happened in Nebraska or Connecticut? Those are the only states left that have gone but the results aren't up.
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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby asdfqwerzzz2 » April 27th, 2016, 4:00 pm

Does anyone know what happened in Nebraska or Connecticut? Those are the only states left that have gone but the results aren't up.
Nebraska B:
1st: Bellevue Mission (Qualifying)
2nd:Bellevue Logan Fontenelle

Nebraska C:
1st: Lincoln Southwest (Qualifying)
2nd: Lincoln East

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Re: State Tournament Results

Postby kenniky » May 2nd, 2016, 8:07 pm

So what's up with Connecticut?
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