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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 7:44 am
by Jaol
Unome wrote: 6. Muscatel
You don't think Kraemer will make it? Is it cause of experience or something? I think they have a pretty good shot.

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 12:29 pm
by fatherhangrid
Unome wrote:My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
20. WW-P Community

I have a feeling that CP Weber might beat out Eagle Hill for 2nd in NYS this year, they've been doing pretty well (though I'm hoping we might pull it out :P )

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 1:18 pm
by Unome
rfscoach wrote:
Unome wrote:My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
20. WW-P Community
Et tu, Brute?
I would rank FSA at 22nd or 23rd.
Jaol wrote:
Unome wrote: 6. Muscatel
You don't think Kraemer will make it? Is it cause of experience or something? I think they have a pretty good shot.
Sure, Kraemer (and others) have a good shot of beating Muscatel; likewise, Kennedy has had a good shot a beating Churchill for the last three years, but they have yet to actually do so. I just made my best guesses about who would go.
fatherhangrid wrote:
Unome wrote:My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
20. WW-P Community

I have a feeling that CP Weber might beat out Eagle Hill for 2nd in NYS this year, they've been doing pretty well (though I'm hoping we might pull it out :P )
Really? The results I've seen from this year are showing Weber significantly weaker than last year.

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 3:59 pm
by rfscoach
Unome wrote: I would rank FSA at 22nd or 23rd.
I don't necessarily disagree with the FSA final placement. However, I think you give Dodgen and Auburn too much credit. Of the 4 AL/GA/TN powerhouse teams, Bearden has consistently out preformed Auburn, Dodgen and FSA all season.

You will join us for Awards on Saturday! Right?!

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 4:03 pm
by sciolyFTW_aku
Unome wrote:My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
20. WW-P Community
I feel like Beckendorff will make it into the top 5. As far as my state, we still haven't had state yet, so I'm not sure about how Pembroke is doing, but I do think that Ladue and Pembroke will be closer in rankings.

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 4:31 pm
by Unome
rfscoach wrote:
Unome wrote: I would rank FSA at 22nd or 23rd.
I don't necessarily disagree with the FSA final placement. However, I think you give Dodgen and Auburn too much credit. Of the 4 AL/GA/TN powerhouse teams, Bearden has consistently out preformed Auburn, Dodgen and FSA all season.

You will join us for Awards on Saturday! Right?!
Oh yeah, forgot about Bearden; I'm not used to them being so good. I suppose I could have put Bearden at 17th-18th, and dropped Auburn and Dodgen to 19th-20th.
And I'm currently planning to be their on Saturday.
sciolyFTW_aku wrote:
Unome wrote:My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
20. WW-P Community
I feel like Beckendorff will make it into the top 5. As far as my state, we still haven't had state yet, so I'm not sure about how Pembroke is doing, but I do think that Ladue and Pembroke will be closer in rankings.
Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 16th, 2016, 8:40 pm
by Adi1008
sciolyFTW_aku wrote:I feel like Beckendorff will make it into the top 5. As far as my state, we still haven't had state yet, so I'm not sure about how Pembroke is doing, but I do think that Ladue and Pembroke will be closer in rankings.
I agree. Although Beckendorff may be slightly worse this year, there are still a lot of talented and hard working people there. A lot of the seventh and eighth graders there are the smartest Beckendorff has ever seen, and many of the people on last year's team are still there. The program is still very much alive. Whether or not they do well at nationals is dependent on whether they choose to work hard enough and believe in themselves

It's always going to be tough to rank Beckendorff because of the lack of competition they face in Texas B Division, but you always know they're going to be a threat to win it all. I'm certain they'll be top 5
Umone wrote:Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 17th, 2016, 8:18 am
by John Richardsim
Adi1008 wrote:
Umone wrote:Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 17th, 2016, 1:39 pm
by Unome
John Richardsim wrote:
Adi1008 wrote:
Umone wrote:Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
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15. Eagle Hill
16. Bearden
17. Lakeshore

Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Posted: March 17th, 2016, 3:27 pm
by Adi1008
John Richardsim wrote:
Adi1008 wrote:
Umone wrote:Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
That's a good point. After looking at the past MI state results (which I didn't do initially) Unome's ranking makes a lot more sense

However, is it possible that other teams in MI have just been getting stronger? I've heard Lakeshore has only been getting better and better over the past few years. For example, this year, Beckendorff's getting scores in the 20-40s, which is about half of what the first place at nationals team got (and that team also lost state to Riverwood, 63 to 64). That doesn't mean the national winning team was only half as good; rather, it just means that the competition was a lot tougher back then.