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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Unome » March 16th, 2016, 4:31 pm

I would rank FSA at 22nd or 23rd.
I don't necessarily disagree with the FSA final placement. However, I think you give Dodgen and Auburn too much credit. Of the 4 AL/GA/TN powerhouse teams, Bearden has consistently out preformed Auburn, Dodgen and FSA all season.

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Oh yeah, forgot about Bearden; I'm not used to them being so good. I suppose I could have put Bearden at 17th-18th, and dropped Auburn and Dodgen to 19th-20th.
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1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Eagle Hill
16. Auburn
17. Pembroke Hill
18. Dodgen
19. Thomas Jefferson
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I feel like Beckendorff will make it into the top 5. As far as my state, we still haven't had state yet, so I'm not sure about how Pembroke is doing, but I do think that Ladue and Pembroke will be closer in rankings.
Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Adi1008 » March 16th, 2016, 8:40 pm

I feel like Beckendorff will make it into the top 5. As far as my state, we still haven't had state yet, so I'm not sure about how Pembroke is doing, but I do think that Ladue and Pembroke will be closer in rankings.
I agree. Although Beckendorff may be slightly worse this year, there are still a lot of talented and hard working people there. A lot of the seventh and eighth graders there are the smartest Beckendorff has ever seen, and many of the people on last year's team are still there. The program is still very much alive. Whether or not they do well at nationals is dependent on whether they choose to work hard enough and believe in themselves

It's always going to be tough to rank Beckendorff because of the lack of competition they face in Texas B Division, but you always know they're going to be a threat to win it all. I'm certain they'll be top 5
Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby John Richardsim » March 17th, 2016, 8:18 am

Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Unome » March 17th, 2016, 1:39 pm

Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
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15. Eagle Hill
16. Bearden
17. Lakeshore
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Adi1008 » March 17th, 2016, 3:27 pm

Revising 10th-20th:
10. Chippewa
11. Meads Mill
12. Ladue
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
15. Meads Mill
16. Eagle Hill (seems a bit low...)
17. Bearden
18. TJ (idk how good they are so...)
19. Auburn
20. Dodgen
You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
That's a good point. After looking at the past MI state results (which I didn't do initially) Unome's ranking makes a lot more sense

However, is it possible that other teams in MI have just been getting stronger? I've heard Lakeshore has only been getting better and better over the past few years. For example, this year, Beckendorff's getting scores in the 20-40s, which is about half of what the first place at nationals team got (and that team also lost state to Riverwood, 63 to 64). That doesn't mean the national winning team was only half as good; rather, it just means that the competition was a lot tougher back then.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby John Richardsim » March 17th, 2016, 6:02 pm



You have Meads Mill twice :D

I don't feel comfortable ranking Meads Mill outside the top 10; this is only a few years after they came extremely close to winning nationals. In 2014 at UCF, they almost certainly would have beat us (Beckendorff) if a few things had gone their way.
Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
That's a good point. After looking at the past MI state results (which I didn't do initially) Unome's ranking makes a lot more sense

However, is it possible that other teams in MI have just been getting stronger? I've heard Lakeshore has only been getting better and better over the past few years. For example, this year, Beckendorff's getting scores in the 20-40s, which is about half of what the first place at nationals team got (and that team also lost state to Riverwood, 63 to 64). That doesn't mean the national winning team was only half as good; rather, it just means that the competition was a lot tougher back then.
I'm not really sure if the teams in Michigan are necessarily getting much stronger, but there has definitely been a shift in the top teams in the state in Division B. For a long while, the top 5 at states was mainly held by teams from Region 12 on the west side of the state, but in the past several years this has shifted to teams on the east side of the state, mainly in regions 6 and 8 (the most notable example being Meads Mill).

As for Lakeshore...though I may be disappointed that we never secured the Division B state title in my time, I suppose jumping to 12th at nationals last year was decent consolation. And similar to what you were describing, though we had gotten a worse score at states last year in comparison to 2014, our score at nationals ended up being nearly 150 points better last year (maybe it helps when a school gets second at a state competition exactly two weeks before nationals...). But yeah, I'm excited to see how they do this year; having a couple of weeks of practices before winter break was definitely a big help last year, and many of this year's competitors have had previous competition experience on White Pines. But again, it's all still hard to pin them down anywhere before their first competition (always feels a tad odd having regionals so late...but hey, good luck to everyone going to a state competition this Saturday!).
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Adi1008 » March 18th, 2016, 5:33 pm

Yeah, c'mon Unome, you'll put Meads Mill in twice before you give some love to Lakeshore?

Adi, I don't think you are seeing what Unome sees: in 2013 and 2014, Meads Mill had 70 and 74 points at states. Last year, they had nearly 150. Based upon invitational and regional results, they seem to be doing relatively similar to last year. Although things are a bit of a toss up being so far from nats, I don't think 11th is too farfetched.
That's a good point. After looking at the past MI state results (which I didn't do initially) Unome's ranking makes a lot more sense

However, is it possible that other teams in MI have just been getting stronger? I've heard Lakeshore has only been getting better and better over the past few years. For example, this year, Beckendorff's getting scores in the 20-40s, which is about half of what the first place at nationals team got (and that team also lost state to Riverwood, 63 to 64). That doesn't mean the national winning team was only half as good; rather, it just means that the competition was a lot tougher back then.
I'm not really sure if the teams in Michigan are necessarily getting much stronger, but there has definitely been a shift in the top teams in the state in Division B. For a long while, the top 5 at states was mainly held by teams from Region 12 on the west side of the state, but in the past several years this has shifted to teams on the east side of the state, mainly in regions 6 and 8 (the most notable example being Meads Mill).

As for Lakeshore...though I may be disappointed that we never secured the Division B state title in my time, I suppose jumping to 12th at nationals last year was decent consolation. And similar to what you were describing, though we had gotten a worse score at states last year in comparison to 2014, our score at nationals ended up being nearly 150 points better last year (maybe it helps when a school gets second at a state competition exactly two weeks before nationals...). But yeah, I'm excited to see how they do this year; having a couple of weeks of practices before winter break was definitely a big help last year, and many of this year's competitors have had previous competition experience on White Pines. But again, it's all still hard to pin them down anywhere before their first competition (always feels a tad odd having regionals so late...but hey, good luck to everyone going to a state competition this Saturday!).
12th is pretty good, especially considering that Meads Mill was only a few places away. It's no small feat and I hope you're proud of it. In Texas it's mainly been the same teams dominating. In B, Beckendorff's always there, and occasionally someone will challenge them (Cinco) or even beat them (Riverwood), while in C, it's just LASA, SLHS, and Clements fighting for the top 2 spots to go to nats. There hasn't been much change for the past 6-7 years.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby SenseiSushi » March 23rd, 2016, 6:59 am

My predictions so far (top 20 again; one day I'll be brave enough to rank all 60 :D ):

1. Winston Churchill
2. Daniel Wright
3. Piedmont
4. Longfellow
5. Solon
6. Muscatel
7. Beckendorff
8. Tower Heights
9. Gelinas
10. Ladue
11. Meads Mill
12. Chippewa
13. Shady Side
14. Springhouse
I think Springhouse has a shot at top ten. We beat Gelinas at the Rustin Invitational and beat Shady Side at states last year.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » March 23rd, 2016, 1:01 pm

I wouldn't put Ladue that far up; although probably still top twenty.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings B

Postby Jaol » March 23rd, 2016, 1:37 pm


I think Springhouse has a shot at top ten. We beat Gelinas at the Rustin Invitational and beat Shady Side at states last year.
I agree with that. Maybe 6,7, or 8th place seems rational.
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