Air Trajectory B/C

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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby chalker » May 23rd, 2016, 6:28 pm

I'm just curious but did anyone successfully appeal the laser ruling? It's okay if you can't say.
I'm not sure, as I only know the details of some of the appeals. I'm far too busy with scoring during the tournament to keep up with appeals. My guess though, based upon the summaries of what you all have posted is that no, they weren't granted.

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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby laidlawe18 » May 23rd, 2016, 6:42 pm

Does anyone have the scores for air trajectory at nats? I got 0cm on the close 5.2 cm on the far and landed both bucket shots, but also got a 100 point penalty. I just want to see where I would have placed if we didn't get that penalty.
I know this might be bitter news for you, but I think you should know that you would have been first. You did better than me and my partner, not counting for your penalty, and we got first place. Know that your hard work was good enough, that you were good enough to win first.

That sounds like amazing performance from your trajectory, though remember that what you did was an easy mistake to make, so you shouldn't take that as the deciding factor for your loss. I don't think you should feel bad about it at all. My partner and I nearly got the same penalty, but we suddenly realized (note that we didn't get a warning or anything, we just suddenly thought about it) and tied one of our Scioly lanyards to the end of our string. The event supervisor watching over us said afterwards that, had we not done that, we would have been inside the block and received a penalty.

I think you need to know that you had the best device in the nation. It was just one of those things that you can't account for, that every team is subjected to. Did you go first round? I think we saw a team hit the pin before us.
Really good thinking on the lanyard. I'll bet it wasn't impounded though... ;)

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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby A Person » May 24th, 2016, 1:16 pm

Does anyone have the scores for air trajectory at nats? I got 0cm on the close 5.2 cm on the far and landed both bucket shots, but also got a 100 point penalty. I just want to see where I would have placed if we didn't get that penalty.
I know this might be bitter news for you, but I think you should know that you would have been first. You did better than me and my partner, not counting for your penalty, and we got first place. Know that your hard work was good enough, that you were good enough to win first.

That sounds like amazing performance from your trajectory, though remember that what you did was an easy mistake to make, so you shouldn't take that as the deciding factor for your loss. I don't think you should feel bad about it at all. My partner and I nearly got the same penalty, but we suddenly realized (note that we didn't get a warning or anything, we just suddenly thought about it) and tied one of our Scioly lanyards to the end of our string. The event supervisor watching over us said afterwards that, had we not done that, we would have been inside the block and received a penalty.

I think you need to know that you had the best device in the nation. It was just one of those things that you can't account for, that every team is subjected to. Did you go first round? I think we saw a team hit the pin before us.
Really good thinking on the lanyard. I'll bet it wasn't impounded though... ;)
Oh wow, I suppose it wasn't. Didn't even consider that, that's completely out of my way of thinking. I'll have to make sure I impound my nametag next year...
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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby antoine_ego » May 26th, 2016, 5:38 am

I'm rather sad Air Trajectory is being replaced with Sounds of Music for Div C :cry: . How long will it be until it cycles around again?
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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby Zioly » May 26th, 2016, 6:12 am

I'm rather sad Air Trajectory is being replaced with Sounds of Music for Div C :cry: . How long will it be until it cycles around again?
Should be 4 years, I believe.
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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby DoctaDave » July 24th, 2016, 5:30 pm

Hey everyone!

I just thought I would share some info about the air trajectory device that I built for this season. This was probably my favorite event (even though it caused me endless stress and frustration) and it's sad to see that it won't be replaced with another trajectory event :/

So this device uses pneumatic cylinders to launch the ball, but it doesn't use a swinging arm. Instead, the cylinder directly transfers its linear motion to the ball. The cylinders and pistons are made from common aluminum extrusions that were purchased online and at metal shops. It was actually surprisingly cheap! The grooves for the pistons were cut on a drill press with a hacksaw (because I didn't have access to a lathe, and there was too much chatter trying to cut it with a chisel). The ends of the cylinders were capped with a small chunk of aluminum extrusion and then brazed together.

The hardest part of building this was getting the device to be efficient enough to launch a small foam golf ball the full distance. The piston assembly that pushes the ball weighed quite a bit in comparison and probably 85-90% of the energy from the falling mass was used just to accelerate that assembly forward. I messed around a lot with different types of lubrication, cutting the grooves for the o rings deeper, and sanding down the pistons so they would make minimal contact with the cylinder. Also, the fact that I was trying to produce the pistons on a drill press instead of an actual lathe meant that they were not perfectly round, and resulted in some air leakages and extra friction. In the end, I found that getting a perfect air seal was not necessary, and that the lowest friction set up was the best.

The rest of the device is constructed of 1/8 - 1/4" extruded aluminum that I got for free from a cut off bin at a metal shop, a bunch of 80/20, and various brackets/connectors.

The reason I decided to go with this design instead of the traditional design of a bellow and a barrel is because this creates a much more consistent seal. Depending on the orientation of the ball in the barrel it could drastically affect the quality of the seal and thus the distance it would shoot. In addition, I noticed that you also had to win a sort of ball "lottery" because many of the foam golf balls and racquetballs I purchased were not perfectly spherical and some would have way worse consistency than others. You could use competition grade ping pong balls to get a perfectly spherical projectile, but I wasn't a fan of how susceptible they were to wind currents. I also found that sometimes with the traditional design the ball would leave the barrel with some spin, causing some accuracy issues at long range. This device seemed to solve all those issues but it still isn't perfect. I had tons of issues troubleshooting it in the beginning and building it took way too many hours. Also, it's very high maintenance. The cylinders need to be constantly lubricated, and the force of the piston slamming against the device after each shot meant that it got a lot of wear and tear. Enough to the point that the plywood base on the "cup" that holds the ball began to split (the veneers of the plywood split apart). There were also some times when the entire cup would just fly off.

By nats, I had tuned this device to get around +/-7.5cm at 8m and +/- 1cm at 2m. I think if I had some more time I could have gotten the accuracy down to +/-3-4cm at 8m. There was still some play inside the cylinders and the mass release mechanism was just a simple pin so the way you pulled it affected the consistency a bit.

At the national competition, the device got 0cm at the close target, 5.2 cm at the far target, and landed 2 bucket shots. To the best of my knowledge, this was the best performing device at the competition but we also got a 100 point penalty for being over the line when activating the device so we ended up in 4th.

There should be some higher quality images of the device on the best of 2016 wiki page if you're interested.
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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby SPP SciO » July 25th, 2016, 6:14 am

Hey everyone!

I just thought I would share some info about the air trajectory device that I built for this season. This was probably my favorite event (even though it caused me endless stress and frustration) and it's sad to see that it won't be replaced with another trajectory event :/
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Wow! That's an awesome looking machine. I can't help but think, "is that a bit over-engineered?" but your success at Nationals seems to indicate it was engineered just the right amount. Curious about two things - 1) how heavy is it? It looks intimidating! 2) How did you make the adjustments between shots? Does that thick threaded rod allow you to precisely raise or lower the falling mass?

I'm sad there's no trajectory event as well. It was the most fun event to coach, and attracted a lot of attention since it was always practiced in the hallway. It can be frustrating when a lot of teachers and kids at school seem to think Science Olympiad is "that catapult building club" but, any publicity is good publicity!

PS - I love how even National medalist machines have a bit of duct tape on them... :D
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Re: Air Trajectory B/C

Postby DoctaDave » July 25th, 2016, 10:29 pm

Thanks!

1. The device is pretty heavy, I think around 45 pounds including the mass (sorry for no SI units but too lazy to convert) A comment about the intimidation thing: The device is extremely loud when it shoots. It has the nice sound of metal slamming against metal which probably adds to the intimidation factor :)

2. Yes the adjustment is just height and is controlled by the threaded rod you see in the back. There's a spot at the top where you can chuck a cordless drill to it to rotate it. I think the threaded rod was a really convenient way to adjust the height because it was so repeatable and precise.

Also, there's still some duct tape on the bottom that you guys can't see :P


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