Selecting a Motor

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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by JonB » January 15th, 2016, 8:56 am

Bazinga+ wrote:Oh I see. 100,000 rpm is insane. The motor probably has very few turns so it can't provide enough torque. Hearing it is an option but I think a ~2000-3000 kV motor should enable you to get up to top speed much quicker.
After seeing this vehicle run I cannot foresee much faster acceleration without loss of control due to traction issues. It's.... fast.

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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by Bazinga+ » January 15th, 2016, 9:01 am

Hm. Might be an issue of wheels. Back when I was doing wheeled vehicle I got it to accelerate in the first .5 meters and get a time of 1.9 sec, but it took a while for me to find the right wheels. Also you're allowed to reverse direction so you can go past the target distance and then reverse back to it.
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Post by windu34 » January 15th, 2016, 9:06 am

Bazinga+ wrote:Hm. Might be an issue of wheels. Back when I was doing wheeled vehicle I got it to accelerate in the first .5 meters and get a time of 1.9 sec, but it took a while for me to find the right wheels. Also you're allowed to reverse direction so you can go past the target distance and then reverse back to it.
Reversing direction to get to the end point is only reasonably feasible with a DC motor. Brushless A/C motors will not be able to maintain a steady position without some serious algorithms and even then, its just not going to be anywhere near as precise compared to a well practiced and documented wingnut system
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Post by HandsFreeCookieDunk » January 15th, 2016, 12:20 pm

Yeah, I have looked into high-end brushless motors like Castle and while they are insane and the price is at least doable for me, I'm discouraged by the high voltage ratings because I don't want to have to find a converter to step it up. I guess there is no motor that's inherently perfect. Thanks for the help guys. Any suggestions on where I might find gearboxes or the parts I would need to do a homemade one? Seems that most of them come with a motor that I don't like.

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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by windu34 » January 15th, 2016, 4:54 pm

HandsFreeCookieDunk wrote:Yeah, I have looked into high-end brushless motors like Castle and while they are insane and the price is at least doable for me, I'm discouraged by the high voltage ratings because I don't want to have to find a converter to step it up. I guess there is no motor that's inherently perfect. Thanks for the help guys. Any suggestions on where I might find gearboxes or the parts I would need to do a homemade one? Seems that most of them come with a motor that I don't like.
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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by Bazinga+ » January 16th, 2016, 3:20 am

Well said.
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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by iwonder » January 21st, 2016, 7:15 pm

windu34 wrote:Brushless A/C motors will not be able to maintain a steady position without some serious algorithms
I'm a bit late I know, but most all brushless ESC's I've seen have a brake feature that stops the motor. One of the best features of BLDC motors (imho) is that they have a holding torque, and it's pretty straightforward to implement.
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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by rk9109 » January 30th, 2016, 8:43 pm

Here's one thing I don't get. All of the brushless motors I've found tend to run at rather high voltages - how do you manage to run them with only a 9V power supply available?

We are currently using basic DC motors for 2 of the wheels running at 4.5 V each - I can't find any brushless motors that would take such a small voltage.

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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by InfiniCuber » January 30th, 2016, 8:47 pm

rk9109 wrote:Here's one thing I don't get. All of the brushless motors I've found tend to run at rather high voltages - how do you manage to run them with only a 9V power supply available?

We are currently using basic DC motors for 2 of the wheels running at 4.5 V each - I can't find any brushless motors that would take such a small voltage.
Use a voltage step-up converter:)
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Re: Selecting a Motor

Post by Bazinga+ » January 31st, 2016, 5:40 am

InfiniCuber wrote:
rk9109 wrote:Here's one thing I don't get. All of the brushless motors I've found tend to run at rather high voltages - how do you manage to run them with only a 9V power supply available?

We are currently using basic DC motors for 2 of the wheels running at 4.5 V each - I can't find any brushless motors that would take such a small voltage.
Use a voltage step-up converter:)
I wouldn't. Which brushless motors are you talking about? All the ones I've seen are run by 2-3 cell lithium ion batteries or 5-8 Nickel cadmium batteries. A 6 cell buckle battery is 7.2 volts, so definitely in specs. I recommend a nice castle or turnigy brushless motor/esc combo.
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