Hovercraft B/C

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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby SciolyMaster » May 23rd, 2017, 6:46 pm

I really am praying for fastest wins, I had a design that got under a second!
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I would wager that they will not ever make the competition fastest wins, because Chalker has said multiple times that fast is a safety issue, which was the whole problem with maglev. I also think that he said slower is harder from an engineering stand point too? Correct me if I'm wrong Chalker, which you already have multiple times today XD.

You'd be right to assume that faster is more dangerous.... On our second trial during a Ohio invitational, our <1 second vehicle (it was the only vehicle we had at the time) slammed into the barrier unexpectedly forcefully, and dented the shielding. This compounded in the denting of our shielding and a few textbooks on the floor... Faster is not a good idea, but you never know, the people who make the rules make mistakes too.

Now that chalker is watching, may I suggest rubber band powered Hover? It would certainly make for safer vehicle!
I don't think they would change the build portion of the event THAT much, although it will definitely be to the extent that nobody could use unmodified devices from this year for next year's competitions. Hovercraft will most likely keep electric motors, though they might change the maximum voltage or number of motors allowed. Most likely it will be changes to the rules pertaining to the competition itself, such as the track setup, number of runs allowed, or the scoring system, and they will hopefully be more clear than the 2017 rules (for example, the "or" in section 5.m. can be interpreted in two vastly different ways). The test will probably remain mostly the same though. I'm hoping that next year's rules will specify a specific track material to be used at all competitions, so we won't have to worry about different track surfaces affecting our hovercraft's performance.
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby ericlepanda » May 23rd, 2017, 11:02 pm

Did you miss any questions on the test? If so, which ones?

I didn't have the BHU conversion and didn't have the date when the word "Hovercraft" was patented. Other than that, we left one part of the tension problem blank.
I wasn't sure about the btu conversion problem either. The number we got seemed awfully large. Then again, if we missed it, I don't think very many, if any, other teams would have gotten it right either.
I missed the top speed of the military hovercraft thing and the BTU conversion. It seems like the test played a larger role than the build score in final placings.
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby SciolyMaster » May 24th, 2017, 1:57 pm



I didn't have the BHU conversion and didn't have the date when the word "Hovercraft" was patented. Other than that, we left one part of the tension problem blank.
I wasn't sure about the btu conversion problem either. The number we got seemed awfully large. Then again, if we missed it, I don't think very many, if any, other teams would have gotten it right either.
I missed the top speed of the military hovercraft thing and the BTU conversion. It seems like the test played a larger role than the build score in final placings.
I think it was a combination of time score and test score that determined the placing, at least in the top 6, as the top teams all had max weight hovercraft. The 6th place team (us) did well on the test but bombed the time score, but some of the others who placed said they didn't do as well on the test but had a good time score.
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby Ashernoel » May 24th, 2017, 2:48 pm

I wasn't sure about the btu conversion problem either. The number we got seemed awfully large. Then again, if we missed it, I don't think very many, if any, other teams would have gotten it right either.
I missed the top speed of the military hovercraft thing and the BTU conversion. It seems like the test played a larger role than the build score in final placings.
I think it was a combination of time score and test score that determined the placing, at least in the top 6, as the top teams all had max weight hovercraft. I know the first place team had a very good time score, but didn't do that well on the test; meanwhile, the 6th place team (us) did well on the test but bombed the time score.
yea in div C it was similar but more extreme. Bomb time but ace test can get 2nd or 3rd.
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby chalker » May 24th, 2017, 4:47 pm

I know the first place team had a very good time score, but didn't do that well on the test; meanwhile, the 6th place team (us) did well on the test but bombed the time score.
This is not true. And not sure how you would know it since we haven't shared the test scores with anyone to my knowledge.
yea in div C it was similar but more extreme. Bomb time but ace test can get 2nd or 3rd.
Not exactly true either, as there was a range of test/time score combinations across 1st through 6th. Again, I don't think we've shared details with anyone, so not sure where you think you are getting this.

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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby Ashernoel » May 24th, 2017, 5:27 pm

I know the first place team had a very good time score, but didn't do that well on the test; meanwhile, the 6th place team (us) did well on the test but bombed the time score.
This is not true. And not sure how you would know it since we haven't shared the test scores with anyone to my knowledge.
yea in div C it was similar but more extreme. Bomb time but ace test can get 2nd or 3rd.
Not exactly true either, as there was a range of test/time score combinations across 1st through 6th. Again, I don't think we've shared details with anyone, so not sure where you think you are getting this.
We bombed time and did well on test :(
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby chalker » May 24th, 2017, 6:11 pm

I know the first place team had a very good time score, but didn't do that well on the test; meanwhile, the 6th place team (us) did well on the test but bombed the time score.
This is not true. And not sure how you would know it since we haven't shared the test scores with anyone to my knowledge.
yea in div C it was similar but more extreme. Bomb time but ace test can get 2nd or 3rd.
Not exactly true either, as there was a range of test/time score combinations across 1st through 6th. Again, I don't think we've shared details with anyone, so not sure where you think you are getting this.
We bombed time and did well on test :(
Yes, but 4th / 5th places went the other way (great times, not so great tests). Congrats on third place!

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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby Zioly » May 24th, 2017, 6:24 pm


This is not true. And not sure how you would know it since we haven't shared the test scores with anyone to my knowledge.



Not exactly true either, as there was a range of test/time score combinations across 1st through 6th. Again, I don't think we've shared details with anyone, so not sure where you think you are getting this.
We bombed time and did well on test :(
Yes, but 4th / 5th places went the other way (great times, not so great tests). Congrats on third place!
Will you share the medalist scores at one point?
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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby UltramatrixMan » May 24th, 2017, 8:28 pm


We bombed time and did well on test :(
Yes, but 4th / 5th places went the other way (great times, not so great tests). Congrats on third place!
Will you share the medalist scores at one point?
Yes please do share some raw scores, I am very intrigued. On the topic of rules changes, I hope that the weight portion of the score is reworked because having a set perfect score (2000 grams), that can be and was achieved (I'm assuming although many incorrect assumptions have already been made here lol) by all the top teams, is not very interesting or exciting. I believe that having a lightest hovercraft wins score next year might be better because A. Nobody will ever achieve a perfect score and B. If you just open up heaviest with no limit, the team that can afford the largest motors wins which is not in the spirit of the competition. That;s just my opinion though :)

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Re: Hovercraft B/C

Postby Ashernoel » May 24th, 2017, 8:31 pm


Yes, but 4th / 5th places went the other way (great times, not so great tests). Congrats on third place!
Will you share the medalist scores at one point?
Yes please do share some raw scores, I am very intrigued. On the topic of rules changes, I hope that the weight portion of the score is reworked because having a set perfect score (2000 grams), that can be and was achieved (I'm assuming although many incorrect assumptions have already been made here lol) by all the top teams, is not very interesting or exciting. I believe that having a lightest hovercraft wins score next year might be better because A. Nobody will ever achieve a perfect score and B. If you just open up heaviest with no limit, the team that can afford the largest motors wins which is not in the spirit of the competition. That;s just my opinion though :)
the mass score is kinda like grade inflation for the teams that prepare the most. Even if they mess up their time score, they should do at least ok because they put in the effort to get a working heavy hovercraft within the rules. I know thermos has similar grade inflation with the plots and stuff, so maybe its just a way to help the top teams out if they have a terrible day and to lower the level of bombing that can really occur.

Also I feel awkward saying our time score points because it was so bad xD but I think we got 50 on test and 24.98 on mass.... maybe something close to 50 on test definitely close who knows
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