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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby NeilMehta » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:26 am

BenchNine or Arial Narrow?
my events tend to deal with really big or small things ..
so now i do fermi : ^)

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Uber » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:19 am

NeilMehta wrote:BenchNine or Arial Narrow?

Arial Narrow 100%
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Postby Ashernoel » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:28 am

Times new roman size 8! The best :D
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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby NeilMehta » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:07 am

Uber wrote:
NeilMehta wrote:BenchNine or Arial Narrow?

Arial Narrow 100%

Same here, always size 6 or 5
my events tend to deal with really big or small things ..
so now i do fermi : ^)

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby NeilMehta » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:23 pm

Out of the 29 bacterial phyla, which ones are generally tested on?
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Postby Ashernoel » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:50 am

NeilMehta wrote:Out of the 29 bacterial phyla, which ones are generally tested on?

whats a phyla
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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Uber » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:24 am

NeilMehta wrote:Out of the 29 bacterial phyla, which ones are generally tested on?

None so far. xD
I'm going to use Woese's classifications because they're easier for this purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterial ... b-division
- All proteobacteria divisions
- Gram positive first 2 divisions
- Cyanobacteria
- Spirochete proper
- Bacteroides proper
- Chlamydia
- Micrococcus thermophile
- Chloroflexus
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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Skink » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:39 pm

Re: cheat sheets, mine has size three font :?: . That's largely disease notes, though, as most of the rest is very carefully engineered diagrams, micrographs, and things. I've seen teams with cheat sheets that have 5-6 font and nearly no diagrams on both sides. Honestly, I'm not sure what most of that is or in what way it's intended to be helpful :?

Re: bacterial groups, what you should really be asking is what unique characteristics are out there in important genera (as phyla are pretty broad, still). And, it's less knowing them by name (though the best teams can recognize key ones if prompted) and more knowing that they're out there and what their unique characteristics are, especially against the other major microbial groups. There's a chapter on diversity in the microbio books (and it's pain if you're not prepared for it), but the reference I like for this are review tables; there's a great one in one of the review books I have. Actually, let me check what the column headings are for that: phylum, class, important genera, and significant features. This makes diversity tangible, I think, and protects you from getting stung by the weirdos. Example: "Mycoplasma species are neither Gram-positive nor Gram-negative. Explain.". A good (yet wrong) guess would be that they were acid-fast. But, that would be confusing them with the genus Mycobacterium...anyway, the best teams know that mycoplasmas lack cell walls, making the question easy to answer. If teams didn't know the mycoplasmas, specifically, but knew that bacteria existed that didn't have cell walls, it'd be doable. Stuff like that...

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby fast__facts » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:58 pm

Div C should use more taxonomy than B right?

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Skink » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:12 pm

Everybody repeat after me: this is not a taxonomy event exclamation point!

I can't predict what you'll see anywhere (as my B team has seen some bizarre, wildly unfair stuff at invitationals), but the point here is not to get questions that expect you to produce names like Bdellovibrio. The point of studying diversity is so you have a grasp of what features different bacteria/archaea/eukaryotes can have, as that, then, allows you to answer questions both general and more specific. Know what things have cell walls (and their compositions). Know what things photosynthesize. Know what things have special ecological roles. Know what things tolerate what extreme environments and where. Know what things ferment what to what. Have a basic handle on unusual life cycles. And, so on...

A point I wanted to edit into my last post (but the edit button disappeared): remember that all disease questions are restricted to the list.

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Ashernoel » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:10 pm

Skink wrote:Everybody repeat after me: this is not a taxonomy event exclamation point!

I can't predict what you'll see anywhere (as my B team has seen some bizarre, wildly unfair stuff at invitationals), but the point here is not to get questions that expect you to produce names like Bdellovibrio. The point of studying diversity is so you have a grasp of what features different bacteria/archaea/eukaryotes can have, as that, then, allows you to answer questions both general and more specific. Know what things have cell walls (and their compositions). Know what things photosynthesize. Know what things have special ecological roles. Know what things tolerate what extreme environments and where. Know what things ferment what to what. Have a basic handle on unusual life cycles. And, so on...

A point I wanted to edit into my last post (but the edit button disappeared): remember that all disease questions are restricted to the list.

true, but on the loyola test there was a lot of taxonomy xD even taxonomy of gut flora and more... :3
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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Skink » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:47 pm

And, you know already how I feel about that test...though, to be fair, some of that is totally fair game, particularly the weird free-response ones. Doing activities with phylogeny/cladistics is fair game (and great, actually) provided you're given data to work with.

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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Alex-RCHS » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:32 am

Has anyone had to do lab-ish activities, especially at states? What were the activities? How would you prepare for them?
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Postby Ashernoel » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:36 am

Alex-RCHS wrote:Has anyone had to do lab-ish activities, especially at states? What were the activities? How would you prepare for them?

There were labs at our regional. All of the specimens have to be form the list on the rules, so know those and you are fine. Basic procedural knowledge can't hurt.
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Re: Microbe Mission B/C

Postby Skink » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:00 pm

You can be given prepared slides or micrographs of anything, so, in that sense, it's wide open. Actual tasks are limited due to the live specimen list noted above, time constraints, and virtually no chemicals.


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