Pennsylvania 2017

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby runpitt » March 23rd, 2017, 10:05 am

Unofficial Southwest scores:

C (28 teams, 7 advance)
1 Shady Side (78)
2 Norwin (166)
3 Franklin Regional (167)
4 Quaker Valley (176)
5 Pittsburgh Allderdice (178)
6 Woodland Hills (194)
7 Montour (204)
8 Canon-McMillan (260)
9 Gateway (276)
10 Peters Township (287)

B (19 teams, 7 advance)
1 Shady Side (38)
2 Franklin Regional (67)
3 Winchester Thurston (127)
4 Huston (139)
5 Peters Township (159)
6 Spring Valley (160)
7 Ringgold (197)
8 Norwin (218)
9 Bedford (241)
10 Quaker Valley (245)

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » March 23rd, 2017, 12:02 pm

Interesting how NEPA and SWPA had the same number of C teams, but SW got one more spot. Perhaps they use highest-placed team at the previous year's state competition as the tiebreaker.

Also, after adding the scores into my spreadsheet, Shady Side does, in fact, end up ahead of Springhouse. I'm still inclined to say that Springhouse is the favorite to win, but Shady Side's regional performance could be a sign that it'll be closer than expected. And then Strath Haven is lurking not too far behind them...
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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby MLMSOGA » March 26th, 2017, 10:58 am

Does anyone have any new predictions for States?

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby schist99centz » March 26th, 2017, 12:23 pm

When will team numbers for States be released? Or is it confirmed that they aren't randomizing them.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby maxxxxx » March 26th, 2017, 2:23 pm

When will team numbers for States be released? Or is it confirmed that they aren't randomizing them.
They will be sent out to coaches tomorrow.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » March 26th, 2017, 8:10 pm

Here's the Central results I have so far:

B Division

1. Eagle View
2. Hershey
3. Park Forest
4. Spring Grove
5. ???
6. ???
7. Eastern York

C Division

1. ???
2. Central York
3. State College
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???

Anyone who has the rest please let us know! These have been culled from various sources on the internet. I was not actually there.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby Rana_catesbeiana » March 27th, 2017, 9:58 am

Curious... Can anyone tell me how many division B teams competed in each PA region?

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » March 27th, 2017, 10:17 am

Here are my best estimates from what I've seen (scoresheets and lists of teams registered)

B Division
NW - ? (4 teams at states; no scores or lists released)
SW - 19 (7 teams)
C - 23 (7 teams)
SE - 24 (7 teams)
CE - 12 (4 teams)
NE - 22 (7 teams)

C Division
NW - ? (4 teams; no scores or lists released)
SW - 28 (7 teams)
C - 35 (7 teams)
SE - 35 (7 teams)
CE - 24 (5 teams)
NE - 28 (6 teams)

I will note that for C, if there hadn't been weather concerns and all 29 teams were there, the distribution works perfectly: 7 teams each for SE and C, 6 teams for NE, CE, and SW, and 4 for NW. Personally, if I had to choose where to give CE's extra spot, I'd have given it to SE. I know that they always get the attention, but for the state finals, you want to have the best overall competition, and frankly, Garnet Valley is better than any other region's "just missed" team. Obviously you want the states spots to work out purely by proportions, but sometimes you end up with 35 or 37 teams, and you just have to make do.

EDIT: Also for B I am trying to proportion it out (operating under the assumption that NW had 12 teams) and I keep getting 7 for SE, NE, and C, 6 for SW, and 4 for NW and CE, which leaves 35 teams at states, and a similar "extra team" problem. I can see that they decided to give it to SW, but based on the proportions, SE was closest to rounding up to 8 teams. I probably would have given it to them in this case.

This is all just me musing, by the way. I don't actually know the exact process by which state spots are distributed; this is merely my closest approximation. I am also not attempting to undermine the state qualification process, as I think the system PA uses works great most years, and definitely has less hiccups than other states might have due to the large sizes of the regions. I'm just theorizing and presenting possible scenarios.

EDIT 2: I will also say that I've studied this for past years as well. Some years it works out, but usually at least once every other year the proportioning winds up with one team too few or too many. I have not yet figured out the protocol the state follows when this happens, but I am sure there is a policy (even though it sometimes leaves out teams I feel are deserving).

EDIT 3: I will also say that one reason I am surprised that a states qualification spot was removed from CE this year is because last year, Central had 31 teams competing but CE had only 29 teams competing, yet CE had 7 spots and Central had 6, so there must have been more teams registered in Central initially. So I wonder if they changed that policy for this year precisely to avoid a similar scenario.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby AlphaTauri » March 27th, 2017, 1:44 pm

Can confirm (via here) that Hershey HS did win Central.

Based on past years' results, this means Central York and/or State College will subsequently beat them at States.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2017

Postby schist99centz » March 28th, 2017, 5:35 pm

Any update on the team numbers information?


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