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Re: Texas 2017

Postby pikachu4919 » April 22nd, 2017, 6:52 pm

MIScioly wrote:
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MIScioly wrote:This competition is an example of why I wish the most competitive states were given 3 bids to the National tournament. It looks like Seven Lakes will miss out on Nationals when they would probably get top-10 there. It would be nice if states like California, Texas, Michigan, and Ohio, which all consistently have two teams do very well at nationals, could send 3 teams instead of 2.


:| This is a topic already breached far too many times haha- there are just as many teams that end up in 2nd place that do very well compared to first place (at states) and would place top ten or twenty in the nation. You could try the legacy solution that is based on previous years state's performances but giving 3 teams a state is unheard of and will probably never happen based on the philosophy we see right now from Scioly which emphasizes the best from each state, not best of the nation.


Oh I know it'll never happen, but wouldn't it be nice? :)


yeah, but it might be more fair if states that already have one bid could be given the opportunity to have another rather than giving some states three bids
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » April 22nd, 2017, 6:56 pm

So do we know for sure Seven Lakes got third? The spreadsheet seems a little sketchy (only 1-3 is filled in); can we get confirmation from a Texan?
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby MIScioly » April 22nd, 2017, 7:42 pm

1 - LASA (67)
2 - Clements (69)
3 - Seven Lakes (104)
4 - Tompkins (142)
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby maxxxxx » April 22nd, 2017, 7:47 pm

MIScioly wrote:1 - LASA (67)
2 - Clements (69)
3 - Seven Lakes (104)
4 - Tompkins (142)


Full scoresheet here thanks to Uber
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx8b_ ... FdPV2pZWEU
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby Dohnnovan » April 22nd, 2017, 7:55 pm

maxxxxx wrote:
MIScioly wrote:1 - LASA (67)
2 - Clements (69)
3 - Seven Lakes (104)
4 - Tompkins (142)


Full scoresheet here thanks to Uber
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx8b_ ... FdPV2pZWEU


I can't seem to open that
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby maxxxxx » April 22nd, 2017, 7:57 pm

Dohnnovan wrote:
maxxxxx wrote:
MIScioly wrote:1 - LASA (67)
2 - Clements (69)
3 - Seven Lakes (104)
4 - Tompkins (142)


Full scoresheet here thanks to Uber
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx8b_ ... FdPV2pZWEU


I can't seem to open that

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx8b_R ... pZWEU/view Try this one
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby texas » April 22nd, 2017, 8:00 pm

Div B:

1. Beckendorff
2. Kealing
3. Austin Area Homeschoolers
4. Seven Lakes
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby kenniky » April 22nd, 2017, 8:18 pm

What an upset, congrats to Clements!

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Re: Texas 2017

Postby texas » April 23rd, 2017, 6:37 am

Does anyone have the scoresheet for Div B? Thanks!
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby antoine_ego » April 23rd, 2017, 6:23 pm

I know Texas States is very volatile, but I wasn't expecting this big an upset... Any idea what happened?
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby yuoto » April 23rd, 2017, 6:31 pm

antoine_ego wrote:I know Texas States is very volatile, but I wasn't expecting this big an upset... Any idea what happened?


Yeah... this is a big surprise. I don't know how a school can improve so much in 3 months; still, I wish them a big congratulations! Although as far as I know the schedule was not very favorable for either Seven Lakes or LASA? :?: I suppose we'll know if this was by luck or not by their performance at nationals....

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Re: Texas 2017

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Re: Texas 2017

Postby varunscs11 » April 23rd, 2017, 9:18 pm

I haven't posted too often this year, but Texas State is indeed very volatile. Even when LASA won MIT and Wright State in 2015, state was a nail biter in that it could've gone to any one of the teams. Clements, LASA, and Seven Lakes are all amazing teams and I have the utmost respect for members of the other two teams because I know first hand just how hard they work and how capable they are. Three months is a lot of time, and I think Adi and some other texans have echoed this sentiment, but the results of MIT and other invitationals don't hold too much influence on the results of state because in those three months, it is quite possible for major changes to happen and they always do. Just like what the Fayetteville Manlius captain said, I am sure that after MIT, Clements went all out in the next three months, putting every ounce of their energy into SciO. This is not to say that Seven Lakes or LASA didn't do the same. State isn't run as well as we'd like it to be and it is possible for any small error to result in an unfavorable placing. I can tell you that Clements, Seven Lakes, and LASA all had unfavorable schedules and dealing with those schedules is just a part of state. Also I don't think it's fair to say that Clements beat out Seven Lakes because they were lucky. Both teams clearly put in a lot of time and it's not fair to Clements to say that they just won based off of luck. And in the future, I would prefer that we not use the term "upset" because it insinuates that whatever happened on saturday should not have happened and that makes Clements' amazing performance seem like a mistake. As a graduating senior, I am extremely proud of my team as well as of Seven Lakes and Clements that have put so much into their preparation for Science Olympiad and have made me that much better by competing against me.
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Re: Texas 2017

Postby yuoto » April 24th, 2017, 11:50 am

varunscs11 wrote: I can tell you that Clements, Seven Lakes, and LASA all had unfavorable schedules and dealing with those schedules is just a part of state. Also I don't think it's fair to say that Clements beat out Seven Lakes because they were lucky. Both teams clearly put in a lot of time and it's not fair to Clements to say that they just won based off of luck.


..After reading my past statement, I realize how coarse it sounds. I sincerely apologize to anyone that I may have offended. It takes a lot of hard work to make it to nationals and luck is only ever a small part of it. Although! I still want to see how they do at Ohio and if there is now a new Texas superpower to take over the top 10 at nationals. I wish them the best of luck!

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Re: Texas 2017

Postby magic_carp » April 26th, 2017, 4:51 pm

I took some time to look at how Seven Lakes did at MIT and Golden Gate... they got better placings in many events at those two tournaments even though the competition was much tougher. MIT had dozens of national-level teams and Golden Gate had the likes of Troy, Mira Loma, LASA, and Boca Raton, while Texas state is really just LASA, Clements, and Seven Lakes (and Tompkins recently)

For example:
Astronomy: 1st at MIT, 1st at Golden Gate, 2nd at state
Disease Detectives: 1st at MIT, 7th at state
Ecology: 4th at MIT, 5th at state
Electric Vehicle: 5th at MIT, 3rd at Golden Gate, 7th at state
Game On: 5th at MIT, 3rd at Golden Gate, 5th at state
Hovercraft: 5th at MIT, 2nd at Golden Gate, 8th at state
Hydrogeology: 3rd at MIT, 13th at state
Optics: 5th at Golden Gate, 10th at state

It seems like Seven Lakes got worse between those two tournaments and state? Or maybe the schedule was just really terrible for them. Could anyone from Seven Lakes explain what happened? I wasn't expecting something like this for sure


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