Bazinga+ wrote:bernard wrote:Random Human wrote:Anyone know why this states' states (haha) is on a tuesday, today?
State tournaments in New Jersey have always been on Tuesdays. Regional tournaments are also on weekdays.
Very odd that they would hold tournaments on school days. Any particular reason for this other than tradition? Also does anyone have the complete (tentative) states results?
Getting this right off the bat, let me just say that:
1. I'm an undergraduate and thus alumni of the Science Olympiad program
2. I'm not from any of the HS in the tentative top 3
3. I have friends from several of the HS in question
Those combined make me fairly unbiased.
Now, to answer your question, no one has the complete state results because it's a fairly contentious topic right now. To give context, and because I'm looking for other people's insight on this - particularly any national event supervisors roaming around here. Ultimately the appeal revolves around one event: helicopters. As I understand it, there was originally an appeal filed to cancel helicopters because of the way the event was run; NJSO admitted that the event supervisor made a mistake in general. To what extent they're willing to admit there was a mistake, idk. But I'm told that the event supervisor allowed helicopters that got stuck in the rafters up in the ceiling to still be timed, which of course violates rule 4j and gives a huge advantage to teams that benefited from this. However, there's a counterappeal going on to reinstate helicopters and count it towards the results.
The implications are rather clear: as is, South would be going to nationals. However, if helicopters were to count, and if they found mistakes in other events and fixed them, it is quite possible Montgomery (or even North, but that's a longer shot) would benefit from the counterappeal and have a shot to take the spot for nationals. Based on the fact the NJSO officially posted the statement that results are not official until five days after the tournament, and they haven't posted the results, it seems quite possible.
What I'm curious about is this; there has been precedence of helicopters results being used several times despite having issues with rafters. However, in this case, an official appeal was made and approved to cancel helicopters on the grounds of improper evaluation of helicopters, which NJSO seems to acknowledge to an extent. Are there any grounds to reinstate it? Events at NJSO have been run poorly before, but at least they gave the same disadvantage or issue to all competitors equally. In this case, I'm told Monty may have benefited from this. To me personally, the only way to have rectified the issue was redo the heli runs once the error was made. But since they didn't, and they initially approved the appeal to cancel the event from impacting team results, I don't see a clear basis. If anything, since NJSO admitted it was run under a wrong interpretation of the rules, wouldn't any attempt to reinstate the event be a blatant disregard of the spirit of the event?