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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 12:41 pm

Unome wrote:The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 12:45 pm

Unome wrote: Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
Then Id put my money on Seven Lakes
jkang wrote:I don't really know about Clements, but Beckendorff has been good for quite a while now (and unfortunately, Kealing hasn't been that great) but there's still quite some variation between LASA and SL's placements (also the fact that LASA beat SL at MIT last year, even though SL ended up doing better at nats). Thus I don't think that Div B performance is necessarily one of the better ways to judge the eventual Div C performance.
Clements is often quite strong early on in the year - I wouldnt be surprised to see them beat LASA and Seven Lakes at MIT. I would place more emphasis on SL better placement at Nats - a more recent competition weighs more in my opinion
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by Unome » December 27th, 2016, 12:56 pm

windu34 wrote:
Unome wrote:The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by bernard » December 27th, 2016, 1:10 pm

Unome wrote:
windu34 wrote:
Unome wrote:The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 1:42 pm

bernard wrote:
Unome wrote:
windu34 wrote: 7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
Thanks Bernard!
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by Fluorine » December 27th, 2016, 3:00 pm

windu34 wrote:
bernard wrote:
Unome wrote: Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
Thanks Bernard!
I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by Unome » December 27th, 2016, 3:12 pm

Fluorine wrote:
windu34 wrote:
bernard wrote: This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
Thanks Bernard!
I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
Although this entire conversation has taken place over the course of like two days, so maybe other people just haven't gotten here yet.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by Adi1008 » December 27th, 2016, 3:52 pm

Unome wrote:
Fluorine wrote:
windu34 wrote: Thanks Bernard!
I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
Although this entire conversation has taken place over the course of like two days, so maybe other people just haven't gotten here yet.
In regards to the meeting and stuff - I'm down, but I won't be able to meet on Friday. We stay in a hotel relatively far from the campus and we aren't allowed to leave the team.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by breakingankles » December 27th, 2016, 9:07 pm

Unome wrote:
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windu34 wrote: Yes but look at their national placement and recent invitational placements show them way over LASA. I remember one kid from Seven lakes at nationals who placed in 5ish events. Not sure if hes still on the team...
LASA never takes any of these early invitationals seriously (and Clements doesn't either) which is why Seven Lakes appears to be doing well this year. And teams can get worse, too: LASA went from 3rd at nationals (which is what Seven Lakes got last year) to 9th place the year after.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of smart people there; I just don't see them doing that well
Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

It's true Seven Lakes has a few good people, but they can't carry the entire team. At first, their scores at invitationals seem pretty good, but if you look closely, they have a considerable amount of holes - chem lab, optics, material science, to name a few. It's simply not a well rounded team.

I also agree with what jkang said about Div B/Div C. I don't think Beckendorff's history of doing reasonably well will have much affect on Seven Lakes; lots of things change between middle school and high school. People get busier, lose motivation, become overconfident, etc. And even if it does have some sort of effect, Beckendorff's only getting worse. LASA and Clements are both quite strong schools even through their middle schools (Kealing and Fort Settlement, respectively) aren't that good in scioly

There's no doubt that Seven Lakes is a great team - third place at nationals means something. I just feel like people are overreacting, acting like they've won nationals when all they've done is get second place at state seven times in a row

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Re: MIT Invitational

Post by Private Wang Fire » December 27th, 2016, 9:30 pm

I remember one year people were making jank graphs of their teams performances relative to time... this discussion going on about seven lakes and stuff seems like it would merit one! :P
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