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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Fluorine » December 26th, 2016, 3:41 pm

We did a tour last year, although I don't think I went (I usually don't).
We don't go on tours, but we go to the campus to visit all of our event rooms/sites to get accustomed to location and schedule so there is less chance of getting lost and not getting to events on time
Yeah, that's what I usually do too.
On campus then sounds doable then. Would just have to designate an area/time unless Luo has someone particular
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby breakingankles » December 26th, 2016, 4:09 pm

Seven Lakes that far down? And Harriton still up after losing what many say is their best SO class in several years?
I didn't know Harriton's SO class last year was their best; in that case, they'll probably do worse, maybe around 4th-8th.

I personally don't buy into the hype surrounding Seven Lakes. I don't think they've gotten much better over the past few years and there's other really good teams in Texas too. They've never gotten higher than 5th at MIT, too.
Yes but look at their national placement and recent invitational placements show them way over LASA. I remember one kid from Seven lakes at nationals who placed in 5ish events. Not sure if hes still on the team...
LASA never takes any of these early invitationals seriously (and Clements doesn't either) which is why Seven Lakes appears to be doing well this year. And teams can get worse, too: LASA went from 3rd at nationals (which is what Seven Lakes got last year) to 9th place the year after.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of smart people there; I just don't see them doing that well

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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Luo » December 26th, 2016, 8:45 pm

Since Luo seems to have disappeared
I'm sorry for my absence. I'm not directly involved with the tournament this year, so I'm not necessarily immediately in the loop when the website is updated or decisions are made. Stephen and Katie are doing an excellent job. Wishing you all a happy new year, and best of luck and skill at the tournament.
Since you're here, do you know of any good locations for the meetup? (I barely remember anything about the campus, plus don't want to plan for someplace that turns out to be in use)
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A good publicly-accessible alternative would be the lounge (pictured here: http://news.mit.edu/2006/lounge-0920) adjacent to Lobby 10 (the 1st floor lobby of building 10, also known as Memorial Lobby). It's smaller but has comfy green furniture. MIT students refer to it as the "green lounge" (not to be confused with the Ida Green Lounge, which is something else) or, less commonly, the "dollar bill lounge" (because the glass wall of the lounge has a large image of a dollar bill etched into it). If you ask any MIT student where the "green lounge next to lobby 10" is they'll definitely know. MIT students love to take power naps there during the school year. Sometimes there are a few random people sitting in there, but it's decidedly a public place meant for impromptu gatherings, so a scioly.org meetup wouldn't be a problem.

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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Unome » December 27th, 2016, 10:53 am


I didn't know Harriton's SO class last year was their best; in that case, they'll probably do worse, maybe around 4th-8th.

I personally don't buy into the hype surrounding Seven Lakes. I don't think they've gotten much better over the past few years and there's other really good teams in Texas too. They've never gotten higher than 5th at MIT, too.
Yes but look at their national placement and recent invitational placements show them way over LASA. I remember one kid from Seven lakes at nationals who placed in 5ish events. Not sure if hes still on the team...
LASA never takes any of these early invitationals seriously (and Clements doesn't either) which is why Seven Lakes appears to be doing well this year. And teams can get worse, too: LASA went from 3rd at nationals (which is what Seven Lakes got last year) to 9th place the year after.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of smart people there; I just don't see them doing that well
Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
We don't go on tours, but we go to the campus to visit all of our event rooms/sites to get accustomed to location and schedule so there is less chance of getting lost and not getting to events on time
Yeah, that's what I usually do too.
On campus then sounds doable then. Would just have to designate an area/time unless Luo has someone particular
The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby jkang » December 27th, 2016, 11:43 am

Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
I don't really know about Clements, but Beckendorff has been good for quite a while now (and unfortunately, Kealing hasn't been that great) but there's still quite some variation between LASA and SL's placements (also the fact that LASA beat SL at MIT last year, even though SL ended up doing better at nats). Thus I don't think that Div B performance is necessarily one of the better ways to judge the eventual Div C performance.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 12:41 pm

The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 12:45 pm

Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
Then Id put my money on Seven Lakes
I don't really know about Clements, but Beckendorff has been good for quite a while now (and unfortunately, Kealing hasn't been that great) but there's still quite some variation between LASA and SL's placements (also the fact that LASA beat SL at MIT last year, even though SL ended up doing better at nats). Thus I don't think that Div B performance is necessarily one of the better ways to judge the eventual Div C performance.
Clements is often quite strong early on in the year - I wouldnt be surprised to see them beat LASA and Seven Lakes at MIT. I would place more emphasis on SL better placement at Nats - a more recent competition weighs more in my opinion
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Unome » December 27th, 2016, 12:56 pm

The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby bernard » December 27th, 2016, 1:10 pm

The second location Luo mentioned sounds pretty good; easy to get to and pretty centrally located on the campus (and we don't have to spend effort getting in). How about Friday at 7:30 PM, or something like that?
7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby windu34 » December 27th, 2016, 1:42 pm

7:30 wont work for me - Ill probably be back at the Marriot making last minute adjustments to builds by then. How about 3:00 pm Friday?
Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Fluorine » December 27th, 2016, 3:00 pm

Ok, but I'll have to check when we arrive that day. Anyone else's thoughts on 3 PM? (is there even anyone else planning to come?)
This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
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I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Unome » December 27th, 2016, 3:12 pm

This might help with scheduling: http://www.when2meet.com/?5935959-evz3w.
Thanks Bernard!
I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
Although this entire conversation has taken place over the course of like two days, so maybe other people just haven't gotten here yet.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Adi1008 » December 27th, 2016, 3:52 pm

Thanks Bernard!
I'll be there if the time is reasonable. But yea would weird if it was just three people....
Although this entire conversation has taken place over the course of like two days, so maybe other people just haven't gotten here yet.
In regards to the meeting and stuff - I'm down, but I won't be able to meet on Friday. We stay in a hotel relatively far from the campus and we aren't allowed to leave the team.
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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby breakingankles » December 27th, 2016, 9:07 pm

Yes but look at their national placement and recent invitational placements show them way over LASA. I remember one kid from Seven lakes at nationals who placed in 5ish events. Not sure if hes still on the team...
LASA never takes any of these early invitationals seriously (and Clements doesn't either) which is why Seven Lakes appears to be doing well this year. And teams can get worse, too: LASA went from 3rd at nationals (which is what Seven Lakes got last year) to 9th place the year after.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of smart people there; I just don't see them doing that well
Usually I'd agree, but I'm leaning towards following the trend from Beckendorff (and windu assuming we're thinking of the same person, he's still around).
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

It's true Seven Lakes has a few good people, but they can't carry the entire team. At first, their scores at invitationals seem pretty good, but if you look closely, they have a considerable amount of holes - chem lab, optics, material science, to name a few. It's simply not a well rounded team.

I also agree with what jkang said about Div B/Div C. I don't think Beckendorff's history of doing reasonably well will have much affect on Seven Lakes; lots of things change between middle school and high school. People get busier, lose motivation, become overconfident, etc. And even if it does have some sort of effect, Beckendorff's only getting worse. LASA and Clements are both quite strong schools even through their middle schools (Kealing and Fort Settlement, respectively) aren't that good in scioly

There's no doubt that Seven Lakes is a great team - third place at nationals means something. I just feel like people are overreacting, acting like they've won nationals when all they've done is get second place at state seven times in a row

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Re: MIT Invitational

Postby Private Wang Fire » December 27th, 2016, 9:30 pm

I remember one year people were making jank graphs of their teams performances relative to time... this discussion going on about seven lakes and stuff seems like it would merit one! :P
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