Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby eak227 » March 16th, 2009, 9:58 pm

Is there really that much difference between having 60 teams at Nats and, say, 65-70 teams, from giving the top 5-10 states (by number of teams and/or past performance) one extra team at Nats?
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby Phenylethylamine » March 17th, 2009, 4:04 am

Oh... yeah, I see how just a few teams could add a LOT of people.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby blufoster6 » March 17th, 2009, 1:36 pm

Like many of you have already have said it wouldn't be right if individuals went to Nats. And if they did it that way, would an actual team go to Nats? And there could be hundreds of different schools at the national level if they did that.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby danger will robinson » March 17th, 2009, 6:44 pm

It would be nice for the people that work really hard but aren't at a competitive school. I'm lucky enough to go to a competetive school, so I'm fine. However, someone could have a 1st place at nats Scrambler and never get past regionals because no one on their team cares. That must be really frustrating.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby starpug » March 17th, 2009, 6:51 pm

It would be nice for the people that work really hard but aren't at a competitive school. I'm lucky enough to go to a competetive school, so I'm fine. However, someone could have a 1st place at nats Scrambler and never get past regionals because no one on their team cares. That must be really frustrating.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby rocketman1555 » March 18th, 2009, 9:07 am

1) I agree that Science Olympiad should be a team thing

but 2) there are some people that are incredibly smart, and are the state champions at certain events every year and it would sometimes be nice for them to be able to go and compete at nationals

personally, i like this idea because it would give people who otherwise wouldn't have a chance to compete a chance to do so at nationals, and since it would be a group thing...it would still be somewhat of a team...just not really
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby fleet130 » March 18th, 2009, 4:47 pm

This thread seems to have come to pretty much the same conclusions as the national executive board arrived at several years ago! An Allstar tournament is a great idea, but nobody knows how to overcome the associated problems.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby croman74 » March 18th, 2009, 6:16 pm

This topic will probably come up over and over again over the years. I don't think that anything will be done about it though. There are many pros to this system, but just as many cons.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby blufoster6 » March 18th, 2009, 6:23 pm

Its just too difficult on the National SO peoples' part & it takes some of the thrill away from SO.
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Re: Proposed Individual Qualification for Nationals

Postby croman74 » March 18th, 2009, 6:29 pm

It's just extra work for the National S.O. people to do, and if they decide to do it, it would be controversial. Too many people would be upset to make this decision. I believe that if they continue to go on like this nobody would get upset, but if you add an All-star tournament, too many people disagree.
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