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Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby lumosityfan » January 12th, 2017, 6:10 am

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I've been looking at the Way Too Early Predictions thread (which by the way, very interesting predictions by the way (great job to whomever predicted Seven Lakes #1 :) )) and, combining that with my looking at the high school quiz bowl rankings, I thought it would be a good idea to start out a mid-season poll. Now obviously Science Olympiad is different than quizbowl in that it is much more regionalized and doesn't have as many competitions, but I thought this would be interesting to find out your opinions on who's the best in the nation. If you're interested in participating, simply PM me with your choice of the Top 25 teams in order from 1-25. I will then compile the results and use 25 as 1st place and 1 as 25th places (with the highest total getting the higher placements). I will close this poll at 7:00 PM EST on Friday, January 20, 2017 (yes, on Inauguration Day so that I have something to do that isn't called staring at the TV for 8 hours straight) and then compile the totals. Have fun!
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Unome » January 12th, 2017, 6:28 am

lumosityfan wrote:Hello SciOlyers,

I've been looking at the Way Too Early Predictions thread (which by the way, very interesting predictions by the way (great job to whomever predicted Seven Lakes #1 :) )) and, combining that with my looking at the high school quiz bowl rankings, I thought it would be a good idea to start out a mid-season poll. Now obviously Science Olympiad is different than quizbowl in that it is much more regionalized and doesn't have as many competitions, but I thought this would be interesting to find out your opinions on who's the best in the nation. If you're interested in participating, simply PM me with your choice of the Top 25 teams in order from 1-25. I will then compile the results and use 25 as 1st place and 1 as 25th places (with the highest total getting the higher placements). I will close this poll at 7:00 PM EST on Friday, January 20, 2019 (yes, on Inauguration Day so that I have something to do that isn't called staring at the TV for 8 hours straight) and then compile the totals. Have fun!

Top 25 ignoring how many teams qualify from a state?
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby lumosityfan » January 12th, 2017, 8:25 am

Unome wrote:
lumosityfan wrote:Hello SciOlyers,

I've been looking at the Way Too Early Predictions thread (which by the way, very interesting predictions by the way (great job to whomever predicted Seven Lakes #1 :) )) and, combining that with my looking at the high school quiz bowl rankings, I thought it would be a good idea to start out a mid-season poll. Now obviously Science Olympiad is different than quizbowl in that it is much more regionalized and doesn't have as many competitions, but I thought this would be interesting to find out your opinions on who's the best in the nation. If you're interested in participating, simply PM me with your choice of the Top 25 teams in order from 1-25. I will then compile the results and use 25 as 1st place and 1 as 25th places (with the highest total getting the higher placements). I will close this poll at 7:00 PM EST on Friday, January 20, 2019 (yes, on Inauguration Day so that I have something to do that isn't called staring at the TV for 8 hours straight) and then compile the totals. Have fun!

Top 25 ignoring how many teams qualify from a state?


Ignoring how many teams from a state. Considering the fact that states have yet to occur anyways, it would be hard to determine which teams would advance (also would make the polling very interesting) Also, thanks for the error: oops!
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Unome » January 12th, 2017, 9:40 am

lumosityfan wrote:
Unome wrote:
lumosityfan wrote:Hello SciOlyers,

I've been looking at the Way Too Early Predictions thread (which by the way, very interesting predictions by the way (great job to whomever predicted Seven Lakes #1 :) )) and, combining that with my looking at the high school quiz bowl rankings, I thought it would be a good idea to start out a mid-season poll. Now obviously Science Olympiad is different than quizbowl in that it is much more regionalized and doesn't have as many competitions, but I thought this would be interesting to find out your opinions on who's the best in the nation. If you're interested in participating, simply PM me with your choice of the Top 25 teams in order from 1-25. I will then compile the results and use 25 as 1st place and 1 as 25th places (with the highest total getting the higher placements). I will close this poll at 7:00 PM EST on Friday, January 20, 2019 (yes, on Inauguration Day so that I have something to do that isn't called staring at the TV for 8 hours straight) and then compile the totals. Have fun!

Top 25 ignoring how many teams qualify from a state?


Ignoring how many teams from a state. Considering the fact that states have yet to occur anyways, it would be hard to determine which teams would advance (also would make the polling very interesting) Also, thanks for the error: oops!

Also, both divisions right? (you didn't specify in your post, but I would assume so).
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby lumosityfan » January 12th, 2017, 10:36 am

Unome wrote:
lumosityfan wrote:
Unome wrote:Top 25 ignoring how many teams qualify from a state?


Ignoring how many teams from a state. Considering the fact that states have yet to occur anyways, it would be hard to determine which teams would advance (also would make the polling very interesting) Also, thanks for the error: oops!

Also, both divisions right? (you didn't specify in your post, but I would assume so).


Yes, although you're certainly not required to do both.
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 12th, 2017, 8:27 pm

This will be interesting. Since it's a ranking of every team, and not a prediction for nationals, I'm going to be basing this more heavily this year's performances so far than I would otherwise. Past performance will obviously be somewhat of a factor, but it won't be quite as governing.

Maybe this will end up being a biweekly or monthly thing, if there are enough people involved!
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Unome » January 13th, 2017, 5:09 am

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:This will be interesting. Since it's a ranking of every team, and not a prediction for nationals, I'm going to be basing this more heavily this year's performances so far than I would otherwise. Past performance will obviously be somewhat of a factor, but it won't be quite as governing.

Maybe this will end up being a biweekly or monthly thing, if there are enough people involved!

Depending on how much research people do, it'll be interesting to see how people perceive the strong teams that don't make it to nationals. Once I really looked into it, I found ~8 teams in each division that I put in my rankings so far (which I will submit on Tuesday, after we know scores from this weekend). I had 5 California teams in each division (though I'm not too sure about my last Div B team here) and 5 from Ohio in Div C, considering how close Chardon usually is to the more recognized top 4.
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby lumosityfan » January 20th, 2017, 4:57 pm

The results are in! Here are your mid-season Top 25 for Division B and Division C:

Division B:
Voters: EastStroudsburg13
1. Solon (1)
2. Daniel Wright
3. Meads Mill
4. Beckendorff
5. Kennedy
6. Magsig
7. Churchill
8. Marie Murphy
9. Tower Heights
10. Springhouse
11. Gelinas
12. Lakeshore
13. Longfellow
14. Piedmont
15. Eagle Hill
16. Science & Arts Academy
17. Dodgen
18. Kraemer
19. Ladue
20. Community
21. Horner
22. Chippewa
23. Baker
24. Hamilton
25. New Albany

Division C:
Voters: Adi1008, kenniky, EastStroudsburg13
1. Troy (CA) (3), 75
2. Mira Loma, 72
3. Solon, 60
4. Centerville, 57
5. LASA, 54
6. Northville, 50
T-7. Mounds View, 49
T-7. Adlai E. Stevenson, 49
9. Mentor, 48
10. Seven Lakes, 46
11. Clements, 44
12. Harriton, 39
13. Acton-Boxborough, 34
14. West Windsor-Plainsboro North, 29
15. New Trier, 24
T-16. Mountain View, 21
T-16. Chattahoochee, 21
18. Columbia, 17
T-19. Mason, 16
T-20. Munster, 16
22. Grand Haven, 15
T-23. West Windsor-Plainsboro South, 13
T-23. Palo Alto, 13
25. Bayard Rustin, 12
Received Votes: Carmel, International Academy Central, Troy (MI), Fayetteville-Manlius, Ladue, Brookwood, Montgomery, Ward Melville, Rustin, Enloe, Canyon Crest, Princeton

Congratulations to every team that was featured on the Mid-Season Division B and C Top 25! We will have another poll probably for the time period ending March 1, 2017 as a pre-states poll in a sense, as soonafter the vast majority of state competitions will run. And then for those of you interested, I'm probably going to do a pre-nationals for teams that actually make nationals. Enjoy!
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 20th, 2017, 5:56 pm

Seriously? A dude who hasn't competed in Division B in 9 years was the only one to vote for that division? :P
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » January 20th, 2017, 8:09 pm

What I don't understand is how teams that have never or rarely been to nationals (Mason, Mountain View, Palo Alto) were ranked higher than teams that typically go every year or many years and perform fairly well (Brookwood, Fayetteville-Manlius, Ward Melville).
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Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 20th, 2017, 10:00 pm

I did this is a few cases, and my explanation is simple: those teams do better against teams that do better at nationals than some teams that qualify for nationals regularly. Plus, if we take last year's results as a starting point, Ward Melville starts off at below 25th, so in my system, they would need a good invitational result to move back up into the top 25.

Again, the way I am personally submitting it, this is a mid-season team ranking, not a prediction for nationals. Not to say this is the only way to do it, but that's how I'm using it.
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby lumosityfan » January 20th, 2017, 10:25 pm

Also you have to take into account that some schools in regions that have a dominant state champion (Troy for instance) may never get the chance to go to nationals even though they could be a Top 25 Team. They just never have the chance to show it.
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Alex-RCHS » January 21st, 2017, 2:34 pm

Hey, Enloe got a vote! It's nice to see NC schools mentioned, even if we aren't usually top 20 (well, haven't been for a while).

I'm surprised to see 7L drop so low.
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby jonboyage » January 21st, 2017, 7:35 pm

Just a thing I noticed, you put Bayard Rustin in 25th place, but in the honorable mentions you put Rustin :lol:
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Re: Mid-Season Poll (Let's Try This?)

Postby Unome » January 21st, 2017, 7:35 pm

Alex-RCHS wrote:Hey, Enloe got a vote! It's nice to see NC schools mentioned, even if we aren't usually top 20 (well, haven't been for a while).

I'm surprised to see 7L drop so low.

Yeah I had 7L in first, but completely forgot to send in my predictions... I was validated pretty well by MIT results though.

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:I did this is a few cases, and my explanation is simple: those teams do better against teams that do better at nationals than some teams that qualify for nationals regularly. Plus, if we take last year's results as a starting point, Ward Melville starts off at below 25th, so in my system, they would need a good invitational result to move back up into the top 25.

Again, the way I am personally submitting it, this is a mid-season team ranking, not a prediction for nationals. Not to say this is the only way to do it, but that's how I'm using it.

This is basically what I did as well (which I why I had Chardon HS on my list). I think I actually ranked Mountain View slightly above Mira Loma (based on graduation trends and such). I also didn't realize until now how good Horner and Hopkins are; when your state has Churchill, Kennedy, and Wicklund, it must be pretty tough to get noticed.
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