Chemistry Lab C

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby Skink » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:11 pm

Nerd_Bunny wrote:How is everyone studying for physical properties? Since this topic hasn't been in rotation for a while I'm having trouble finding any resources to help study.

This subtopic really has me thrown. Like, are we going as far as Ksp for solubility, or is it B division-grade conductivity measurements, for example? It's so hard to get a read for what they're going for with this when B division goes introductory high school while this event doesn't want to go AP level.

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby gryphaea1635 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:14 am

I was trying to do slowpoke's SSS chem lab test, and I don't know how to do 2c of the thermodynamics open response. Can someone explain it for me? It says to calculate the standard enthalpy of formation for liquid benzene, given dH(f) for gaseous benzene is 82.9 kJ/mol.

Other givens are: dS for vaporization of benzene is -90.91 J/(mol*K), enthalpy of vaporization is -32.11 kJ/mol, its boiling point is 353.2 K, and exhibits a vapor pressure of .526 atm at 333.6 K.

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby primitive_polonium » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:02 pm

Nerd_bunny wrote:How is everyone studying for physical properties? Since this topic hasn't been in rotation for a while I'm having trouble finding any resources to help study.


As a test writer, I focused more on the concepts behind the physical properties than on the properties themselves. For instance, I tested the ideas behind say, why some things are denser than others or how dissolving things in water works. The only issues is that while that approach works well for like conductivity (you need to understand intermolecular forces), things like color require pulling material from organic or even undergrad level inorganic chemistry. Magnetism and solubility are also super vague. It's pretty hard to figure out how far as a test writer you're supposed to go, or what SciOly intended exactly with their rules.

The questions I attempted to avoid were memorization problems. For instance, I wouldn't put a "Order the density of these metals" thing on the exam because 1) it requires you to dedicate a not insignificant space to record information that doesn't really help you progress as a chemist and 2) it's better to test say, the reasons why some metals are denser (ie: they have a more highly packed structure).

All in all, I dislike this topic somewhat intensely. It's hard to find a physical properties lab that doesn't take over 50 minutes or require extensive equipment and preparation. I have not seen a single competition that did not do a thermo lab, and I'm sure that when I do, it will be a highly janky lab. Also, the list of properties feels super arbitrary. Why elasticity, but not hardness? Does elasticity include ductility and malleability also? This topic could have been my favorite if it were more specific, but it's way too vague.

Tl;dr: focus on causes of physical properties and understanding what those properties exactly are.
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby NothingMatters. » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:39 pm

This is my first year doing science Olympiad and I cannot fully understand the wiki for Chem Lab, my event is this Saturday, are there any things I should add to my sheet that people tend to forget?

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby geniusjohn5 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:28 pm

Are there any good resources/links to prepare for the Lab portion of this event?
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby geniusjohn5 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:39 pm

Does anyone know what reference sheets the test proctors will give to us test-takers? For example, will a Periodic Table be provided at the test?
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby kenniky » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:17 pm

geniusjohn5 wrote:Does anyone know what reference sheets the test proctors will give to us test-takers? For example, will a Periodic Table be provided at the test?

Proctors are supposed to provide all constants, which would include a periodic table (or at least relevant molar masses)

Most tests I have seen do provide these, but sometimes they don't. If you have extra space on your cheat sheet, I would highly recommend adding a periodic table, a list of common enthalpies of formation and specific heats, and other important constants in case the ES doesn't read the rules carefully enough.

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby huppada » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:40 am

Chem Lab is allowed to have 5 pages for cheat sheets, but I have no idea how to fill up all the space.
Did anyone completely fill theirs, or does anyone have any ideas for what to add?

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby kenniky » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:19 am

huppada wrote:Chem Lab is allowed to have 5 pages for cheat sheets, but I have no idea how to fill up all the space.
Did anyone completely fill theirs, or does anyone have any ideas for what to add?

Lists of enthalpies, entropies, Gibbs energies, colors

Common constants (ex: anything to do with water)

If you can fit it onto 2 sheets you can make a copy for you and your partner.

I do agree that 5 is overkill for Chem Lab

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby Nerd_Bunny » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:41 pm

kenniky wrote:
huppada wrote:Chem Lab is allowed to have 5 pages for cheat sheets, but I have no idea how to fill up all the space.
Did anyone completely fill theirs, or does anyone have any ideas for what to add?

Lists of enthalpies, entropies, Gibbs energies, colors

Common constants (ex: anything to do with water)

If you can fit it onto 2 sheets you can make a copy for you and your partner.

I do agree that 5 is overkill for Chem Lab

My partner and I are completely taking advantage of those 5 sheets. Anything we come across, we put on the sheet. We have pretty large font yet still have tons of room.We're also both doing A&P, so we know how much extra sheets can help. I'd recommend adding as many images, charts, and flowcharts as possible. We have an electron configuration chart, (two actually) a phase diagram, an electronegativity chart, and room for a full periodic table. Don't forget to put some common densities and specific heat values on there too. Event supervisors are supposed to give you these values but sometimes they don't. Really take advantage of those 5 pages.
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby huppada » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:27 pm

Nerd_Bunny wrote:
kenniky wrote:
huppada wrote:Chem Lab is allowed to have 5 pages for cheat sheets, but I have no idea how to fill up all the space.
Did anyone completely fill theirs, or does anyone have any ideas for what to add?

Lists of enthalpies, entropies, Gibbs energies, colors

Common constants (ex: anything to do with water)

If you can fit it onto 2 sheets you can make a copy for you and your partner.

I do agree that 5 is overkill for Chem Lab

My partner and I are completely taking advantage of those 5 sheets. Anything we come across, we put on the sheet. We have pretty large font yet still have tons of room.We're also both doing A&P, so we know how much extra sheets can help. I'd recommend adding as many images, charts, and flowcharts as possible. We have an electron configuration chart, (two actually) a phase diagram, an electronegativity chart, and room for a full periodic table. Don't forget to put some common densities and specific heat values on there too. Event supervisors are supposed to give you these values but sometimes they don't. Really take advantage of those 5 pages.

I am also in A&P, and I agree, extra pages really help. But does it get difficult to locate things at times? 5 sheets is really 10 pages, and it seems like a hassle to have to search through those pages in the middle of a competition.

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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby Nerd_Bunny » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:34 pm

huppada wrote:
Nerd_Bunny wrote:
kenniky wrote:Lists of enthalpies, entropies, Gibbs energies, colors

Common constants (ex: anything to do with water)

If you can fit it onto 2 sheets you can make a copy for you and your partner.

I do agree that 5 is overkill for Chem Lab

My partner and I are completely taking advantage of those 5 sheets. Anything we come across, we put on the sheet. We have pretty large font yet still have tons of room.We're also both doing A&P, so we know how much extra sheets can help. I'd recommend adding as many images, charts, and flowcharts as possible. We have an electron configuration chart, (two actually) a phase diagram, an electronegativity chart, and room for a full periodic table. Don't forget to put some common densities and specific heat values on there too. Event supervisors are supposed to give you these values but sometimes they don't. Really take advantage of those 5 pages.

I am also in A&P, and I agree, extra pages really help. But does it get difficult to locate things at times? 5 sheets is really 10 pages, and it seems like a hassle to have to search through those pages in the middle of a competition.

It hardly takes my partner and I much time to find what we need. All of our vocab is alphabetical, and that takes up about 3 pages. The rest are large images, so usually it takes less than 20 seconds to find something.
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby geniusjohn5 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:48 pm

Can anyone suggest what I should put on my cheat sheet for PHYSICAL PROPERTIES?
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby Nerd_Bunny » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

Has anyone taken the University of Michigan invite test? My partner and I did the test yesterday and we were wondering if anyone was able to correctly do the math on the lab. Advice as well would be really helpful. Thanks!
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Re: Chemistry Lab C

Postby kenniky » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:45 pm

Nerd_Bunny wrote:Has anyone taken the University of Michigan invite test? My partner and I did the test yesterday and we were wondering if anyone was able to correctly do the math on the lab. Advice as well would be really helpful. Thanks!

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So let's say you have moles of NaCl and moles of CaCl2; we want to find and .

From the experiment you should get the mass of the sample, the mass of water used , the boiling temperature without dissolved salt , and the boiling temperature with salt .

The boiling point elevation formula says that where is the molality and is the Van't Hoff factor (sp?), which can be approximated as the number of ions that one molecule of a substance dissociates into. In particular, and .

Here, . Since the two salts have different Van't Hoff factors, their contributions need to be calculated separately; , and . Since we assumed moles of NaCl and moles of CaCl2, and . So you end up with , which looks kind of ugly but is just an equation in and since everything else is known.

Also, from the masses you get , note that the s here are mass not molality (why does chemistry use the same symbols for everything qq). So which is also an equation in and .

So you just have a system of equations:




which should be solvable, making sure to account for SI units and such.

For example, if C, C, kg, and g, you have




from which you get moles and moles and then you can find the percent mass from there

In retrospect I probably should have given a procedure for everyone to follow at least, so that they could get to the math here because very few people ended up even considering , or just made it a test question and had a slightly easier lab ... oops

Feel free to ask me other questions about my test if my messy typed out equations didn't make sense lol


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