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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby dxu46 » December 4th, 2017, 5:18 pm

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arv101 wrote:Thanks for the websites but their mostly minerals and I am doing rocks, do you guys know any trustable websites for rocks.

Also, are their any good kits that have all of the rocks and minerals on the soinc website because I feel that actually touching and looking at the rocks will help me.

i like http://www.geology.com
if u want a kit i believe u can buy one of the ward's science olympiad kits from soinc

http://www.geology.com isn't the best source, as it's kind of simplified and it puts everything in layman's terms. For easier tests this is fine, but ideally, you should use http://www.mindat.org.

I wouldn't say that mindat.org is the best site for everything, but combined with minerals.net and webmineral.com it surely is good. It lacks some info, but it has some really strong information.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

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whythelongface wrote:
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arv101 wrote:Thanks for the websites but their mostly minerals and I am doing rocks, do you guys know any trustable websites for rocks.

Also, are their any good kits that have all of the rocks and minerals on the soinc website because I feel that actually touching and looking at the rocks will help me.

i like http://www.geology.com
if u want a kit i believe u can buy one of the ward's science olympiad kits from soinc

http://www.geology.com isn't the best source, as it's kind of simplified and it puts everything in layman's terms. For easier tests this is fine, but ideally, you should use http://www.mindat.org.

wait http://www.mindat.org has rocks????!!! why/how did i not see that before???? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby arv101 » December 6th, 2017, 3:41 pm

Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Kyanite » December 6th, 2017, 3:52 pm

arv101 wrote:Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?


Not really, use multiple sources to get a total fact page for rocks.

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby ScottMaurer19 » December 6th, 2017, 6:01 pm

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arv101 wrote:Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?


Not really, use multiple sources to get a total fact page for rocks.

Copy and paste wikipedia, edit the extra/incorrect information out, and supplement from other sources.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby gneissisnice » December 7th, 2017, 11:00 am

arv101 wrote:Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?


Personally, I find that it's less useful to have pages devoted to each rock than it is for minerals. Rocks aren't as distinct and rigid in their compositions so there's a lot more ambiguity about certain details.

I would find charts that help with the classification of the different types (for example, a chart for igneous rocks that shows composition and texture), since that's typically all you need for ID purposes. Then maybe a list of other things about each rock, like environment of formation (shallow marine vs. river delta vs. deep marine for different sedimentary rocks, for example), uses, and so on.

That's pretty much it, I wouldn't go crazy with a fact sheet for each individual rock.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Kyanite » December 7th, 2017, 11:06 am

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arv101 wrote:Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?


Personally, I find that it's less useful to have pages devoted to each rock than it is for minerals. Rocks aren't as distinct and rigid in their compositions so there's a lot more ambiguity about certain details.

I would find charts that help with the classification of the different types (for example, a chart for igneous rocks that shows composition and texture), since that's typically all you need for ID purposes. Then maybe a list of other things about each rock, like environment of formation (shallow marine vs. river delta vs. deep marine for different sedimentary rocks, for example), uses, and so on.

That's pretty much it, I wouldn't go crazy with a fact sheet for each individual rock.


Agreed, I fit about 2 rocks onto a single side of a page with information such as formation and possible colors.

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby dxu46 » December 7th, 2017, 2:31 pm

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arv101 wrote:Thanks, does anyone know any good websites for just rocks (specifically rocks)?


Personally, I find that it's less useful to have pages devoted to each rock than it is for minerals. Rocks aren't as distinct and rigid in their compositions so there's a lot more ambiguity about certain details.

I would find charts that help with the classification of the different types (for example, a chart for igneous rocks that shows composition and texture), since that's typically all you need for ID purposes. Then maybe a list of other things about each rock, like environment of formation (shallow marine vs. river delta vs. deep marine for different sedimentary rocks, for example), uses, and so on.

That's pretty much it, I wouldn't go crazy with a fact sheet for each individual rock.


Agreed, I fit about 2 rocks onto a single side of a page with information such as formation and possible colors.

I'd say since you get a whole binder, you shouldn't think of saving space but rather including info. You should at least have 1 specimen per page, with a lot of info.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby arv101 » December 7th, 2017, 7:18 pm

Thanks for your opinion but I was looking at past tests and there's usually like 20 stations so thats like 2-3 mins at each, how the heck are you supposed to both ID and answer like 5 follow up questions in that time? Also if you mess up the ID you're pretty much done for. How are you guys making sure your binder is "efficient"?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby ScottMaurer19 » December 7th, 2017, 7:25 pm

arv101 wrote:Thanks for your opinion but I was looking at past tests and there's usually like 20 stations so thats like 2-3 mins at each, how the heck are you supposed to both ID and answer like 5 follow up questions in that time? Also if you mess up the ID you're pretty much done for. How are you guys making sure your binder is "efficient"?

Practice. Binders of any size work efficiently as long as you can find anything in it. In theory you should know the binder well enough to find any page without tabs. Also, put the most needed info in a separate and smaller section towards the front.

Or you could go the route of knowing everything and then you can finish those 2-3 min stations in half the time. Binder is easier though.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby arv101 » December 7th, 2017, 7:39 pm

Thanks, also, what are the restrictions on the magnifying glass? Like can their be a light in it or something of that sort?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby pb5754[] » December 7th, 2017, 8:04 pm

arv101 wrote:Thanks, also, what are the restrictions on the magnifying glass? Like can their be a light in it or something of that sort?


I don't think there are magnifying glass restrictions

last year at regs I remember a team had a mag glass uv light

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Kyanite » December 7th, 2017, 8:48 pm

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arv101 wrote:Thanks, also, what are the restrictions on the magnifying glass? Like can their be a light in it or something of that sort?


I don't think there are magnifying glass restrictions

last year at regs I remember a team had a mag glass uv light


One thing about magnifying glasses is get about a 10x zoom or 8x zoom, dont want to be looking so close you cant see anything

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby gneissisnice » December 8th, 2017, 10:53 am

arv101 wrote:Thanks for your opinion but I was looking at past tests and there's usually like 20 stations so thats like 2-3 mins at each, how the heck are you supposed to both ID and answer like 5 follow up questions in that time? Also if you mess up the ID you're pretty much done for. How are you guys making sure your binder is "efficient"?


The trick to any ID event is to know your identification perfectly. You should be able to identify every specimen by sight; if you need to use your binder to ID, you've already lost.

There are a handful of specimens that are similar, so you should at least be able to narrow down to a couple of options.

Don't forget that you have two people doing the event. If time is an issue, practice working with your partner. Maybe one person will ID while the other writes down the answer and starts answering the questions.

As for binders, you want it to be well-tabbed so you're not wasting time flipping through. I strongly recommend typing out everything by hand, just copying and pasting from wikipedia will give you blocks of text that take forever to read. Bullet points are you friend, keep things concise.

For example, a paragraph like "Quartz is one of the most useful natural materials. Its usefulness can be linked to its physical and chemical properties. It has a hardness of seven on the Mohs Scale which makes it very durable. It is chemically inert in contact with most substances. It has electrical properties and heat resistance that make it valuable in electronic products. Its luster, color, and diaphaneity make it useful as a gemstone and also in the making of glass." (taken from geology.com) is MUCH more difficult to get information from than a bullet point like: "Uses: Electronics, gemstones, glass. Useful because of hardness and chemical properties."

Saves you a lot of time when it comes to finding that information.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby 808rain » December 12th, 2017, 11:40 am

A few questions....
* Can someone please clarify "attached using available rings, which may be removed during the event" Can it be in a binder and then we remove it during the event? Is this right?

* Any resources you recommend having in the binder?

* Will the team be at a disadvantage if it's just one person? Will we get half points?


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