2018 Solon High School Invitational

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby alylam » February 3rd, 2018, 10:29 pm

So you are not planning on releasing Solon scores in any way. I just want to know how badly I would have lost to Scott in Mission.
From what they said earlier and what they’ve done in years past they probably won’t be releasing Solon scores. This is probably also why they didn’t give the official scoresheet straight out of Avogadro (like MIT) because their rankings would have been revealed on there (this also explains the errors in the scoresheet since it was taken from Avogadro but adjusted manually)
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 3rd, 2018, 10:52 pm

So you are not planning on releasing Solon scores in any way. I just want to know how badly I would have lost to Scott in Mission.
From what they said earlier and what they’ve done in years past they probably won’t be releasing Solon scores. This is probably also why they didn’t give the official scoresheet straight out of Avogadro (like MIT) because their rankings would have been revealed on there (this also explains the errors in the scoresheet since it was taken from Avogadro but adjusted manually)
As previously stated, we will not be releasing scores for the two Solon team numbers. The participating teams will get raw scores for all events (not Solon’s) in addition to the overall rankings I’ve already posted here. Those should be sent out sometime tomorrow.

The transposition error on the printed scoresheet in the coaches packets was due to a copy-paste mistake I made while trying to get packets finished quickly. All of the awards were announced and presented correctly. We were able to send an updated set of final results via email about 15 minutes after the mistake was found. Your coaches should have gotten this email shortly after awards finished.

If anyone has feedback on our tournament, please feel free to PM me or shoot me an email at shsso.coaches@gmail.com. I was really happy with how the day went overall, and clearly there was some fierce competition for those top few spots.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 3rd, 2018, 11:05 pm

For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).
I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby John Richardsim » February 4th, 2018, 5:39 am

For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).
I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.
I read that document and couldn't find any reference to the competition levels that should be used. I don't think it was anywhere on the website. It's not that I think you didn't communicate it, it's just that it doesn't seem like you communicated it enough.


Also, that having been my first time in that building, I really struggled finding my way around. Next year you should print out a lot more signs.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby dmis » February 4th, 2018, 7:10 am

For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).
I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.
When I read your ES guidelines I was really impressed and expected tests to be really well written. My only conclusion could be that many ES's did not read the guidelines or did not care. Frankly, I do not know how that could be improved. Perhaps you could request tests from your ES's several more weeks in advance and review them (or have Solon students take them) privately and provide feedback before the competition? As it says in the national ES manual, students will know the rules better than most ES's. Since your students don't compete officially, I personally would welcome them helping create a better experience as long as you could trust them not to talk to their friends on other teams.

I don't mean to start a test rating discussion, but the Chem lab test was a good example. While it was clear and well written, needed constants were not always provided (Hfusion h20); the first question was neither similar to one in an introductory high school course nor on physical properties or thermodynamics (On an industrial process for producing H2SO4); there was a large section strictly on balancing (which could probably be argued to be included under section c, but is certainly not a large focus that it was on the test); and there were several questions on spontaneity and gibbs free energy, a state only topic. It was a very interesting test: it was clear that the author knew a lot about chemistry, just not the rules.

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 7:40 am

For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).
I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.
When I read your ES guidelines I was really impressed and expected tests to be really well written. My only conclusion could be that many ES's did not read the guidelines or did not care. Frankly, I do not know how that could be improved. Perhaps you could request tests from your ES's several more weeks in advance and review them (or have Solon students take them) privately and provide feedback before the competition? As it says in the national ES manual, students will know the rules better than most ES's. Since your students don't compete officially, I personally would welcome them helping create a better experience as long as you could trust them not to talk to their friends on other teams.

I don't mean to start a test rating discussion, but the Chem lab test was a good example. While it was clear and well written, needed constants were not always provided (Hfusion h20); the first question was neither similar to one in an introductory high school course nor on physical properties or thermodynamics (On an industrial process for producing H2SO4); there was a large section strictly on balancing (which could probably be argued to be included under section c, but is certainly not a large focus that it was on the test); and there were several questions on spontaneity and gibbs free energy, a state only topic. It was a very interesting test: it was clear that the author knew a lot about chemistry, just not the rules.
I remember the frustration of easy, obscure, or “illegal” tests from when I was a competitor.

I’m sure some supervisors reviewed the guidelines more closely than others. I know that many supervisors made an effort to follow them as we received volunteer or material requests directly in response to the guidelines. I’d also reiterate that some schools have experienced coaches and a large alumni base who are more able to provide really great tests.

With respect to reviewing all of the tests (either by students or alumni), I have definitely considered it. It’s not standard practice for most invitationals (except MIT) because of the significant effort it requires. This is my first year officially serving as a coach and I frankly didn’t have the bandwidth to add that this year. However, it is something I would like to do in future years.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby dhdarren » February 4th, 2018, 11:57 am

Thank you to all of our participating teams! It was a pleasure having you with us today. We hope to see you all back next year. Here is a link to the full Div C results.
Thanks for organizing a great invitational yesterday! Definitely was run very smoothly. Aside form that, the link to the scoresheet doesn't seem to working; could you update us with another link? Also, do you know around when the sets of tests/keys/raw scores will be sent out to coaches? Thanks!
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 12:01 pm

Thank you to all of our participating teams! It was a pleasure having you with us today. We hope to see you all back next year. Here is a link to the full Div C results.
Thanks for organizing a great invitational yesterday! Definitely was run very smoothly. Aside form that, the link to the scoresheet doesn't seem to working; could you update us with another link? Also, do you know around when the sets of tests/keys/raw scores will be sent out to coaches? Thanks!
I fixed the scoresheet link. Here it is again for those who missed it. Tests/keys/raw scores were sent to coaches this morning.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby SciolyGuy411 » February 4th, 2018, 3:06 pm

Will you posting Solon B results? thanks

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 3:13 pm

Will you posting Solon B results? thanks
This thread is for the Solon High School (Div C) tournament only. I am not involved in the Solon Middle School tournament and do not have access to their results.
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