2018 Solon High School Invitational

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 7:40 am

dmis wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
John Richardsim wrote:For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).


I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.


When I read your ES guidelines I was really impressed and expected tests to be really well written. My only conclusion could be that many ES's did not read the guidelines or did not care. Frankly, I do not know how that could be improved. Perhaps you could request tests from your ES's several more weeks in advance and review them (or have Solon students take them) privately and provide feedback before the competition? As it says in the national ES manual, students will know the rules better than most ES's. Since your students don't compete officially, I personally would welcome them helping create a better experience as long as you could trust them not to talk to their friends on other teams.

I don't mean to start a test rating discussion, but the Chem lab test was a good example. While it was clear and well written, needed constants were not always provided (Hfusion h20); the first question was neither similar to one in an introductory high school course nor on physical properties or thermodynamics (On an industrial process for producing H2SO4); there was a large section strictly on balancing (which could probably be argued to be included under section c, but is certainly not a large focus that it was on the test); and there were several questions on spontaneity and gibbs free energy, a state only topic. It was a very interesting test: it was clear that the author knew a lot about chemistry, just not the rules.


I remember the frustration of easy, obscure, or “illegal” tests from when I was a competitor.

I’m sure some supervisors reviewed the guidelines more closely than others. I know that many supervisors made an effort to follow them as we received volunteer or material requests directly in response to the guidelines. I’d also reiterate that some schools have experienced coaches and a large alumni base who are more able to provide really great tests.

With respect to reviewing all of the tests (either by students or alumni), I have definitely considered it. It’s not standard practice for most invitationals (except MIT) because of the significant effort it requires. This is my first year officially serving as a coach and I frankly didn’t have the bandwidth to add that this year. However, it is something I would like to do in future years.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby dhdarren » February 4th, 2018, 11:57 am

nicholasmaurer wrote:Thank you to all of our participating teams! It was a pleasure having you with us today. We hope to see you all back next year. Here is a link to the full Div C results.


Thanks for organizing a great invitational yesterday! Definitely was run very smoothly. Aside form that, the link to the scoresheet doesn't seem to working; could you update us with another link? Also, do you know around when the sets of tests/keys/raw scores will be sent out to coaches? Thanks!
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 12:01 pm

dhdarren wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:Thank you to all of our participating teams! It was a pleasure having you with us today. We hope to see you all back next year. Here is a link to the full Div C results.


Thanks for organizing a great invitational yesterday! Definitely was run very smoothly. Aside form that, the link to the scoresheet doesn't seem to working; could you update us with another link? Also, do you know around when the sets of tests/keys/raw scores will be sent out to coaches? Thanks!


I fixed the scoresheet link. Here it is again for those who missed it. Tests/keys/raw scores were sent to coaches this morning.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby SciolyGuy411 » February 4th, 2018, 3:06 pm

Will you posting Solon B results? thanks

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 3:13 pm

SciolyGuy411 wrote:Will you posting Solon B results? thanks


This thread is for the Solon High School (Div C) tournament only. I am not involved in the Solon Middle School tournament and do not have access to their results.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby DarthBuilder » February 4th, 2018, 6:51 pm

Nick do you remember me? I was bowing to you, your highness.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 4th, 2018, 7:08 pm

DarthBuilder wrote:Nick do you remember me? I was bowing to you, your highness.


Yes, that would be hard to forget. Asher was much more chill about meeting me.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby DarthBuilder » February 4th, 2018, 7:50 pm

8-)

I’m not the forgotten one
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby DarthBuilder » February 5th, 2018, 6:08 am

Are we allowed to rank our events here or no?
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 5th, 2018, 11:55 am

DarthBuilder wrote:Are we allowed to rank our events here or no?


I can't see why not...
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby SciNerd42 » February 5th, 2018, 4:26 pm

That is a fantastic ES guide! Do you have one for Division B? I'm thinking about forwarding it to our state director,

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby DarthBuilder » February 5th, 2018, 5:26 pm

Towers: Suoervisers were really nice overall. If someone had a construction violation they talked to them for a few minutes about what they can dk better next time. Props to Nordonia for this.

MTV: supervisors were nice but extremely strict. It too almost 10 minutes just to check in my device but it was worth it to get knowledge for coming invites. Although it was an hour behind due to that aha

Heli: Quick and simple. The supervisors were nice and everyone was finished on time.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 5th, 2018, 5:54 pm

SciNerd42 wrote:That is a fantastic ES guide! Do you have one for Division B? I'm thinking about forwarding it to our state director,


Unfortunately no, I created it specifically for our tournament which only has Division C. But you are welcome to share it with whomever if you think they would find it useful.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby 19sawickin » February 5th, 2018, 6:06 pm

Forensics: Test was moderately difficult and a very doable length. Used seeds and soils which I've never seen before in all of my years doing Forensics, which psyched me out for a few minutes until I realized they were all pretty generic and easy to identify. If you have done rocks and minerals before, you probably would have had a nice advantage when they asked about the soil color with specific rocks and minerals present. Either way, it wasn't a huge portion of the test and was a nice learning experience. Helpful proctors.

Remote Sensing: Test was stations and time was a bit tight at each station, but if you had a firm grasp on the event and generally knew what you were doing (which I did not haha), it shouldn't have been any problem. All of the questions were multiple choice which I suppose made it easier to grade since the proctors could use a scantron app, but it did lack a bit on the math side I feel.

Mousetrap Vehicle: I have no complaints, except for at times the line backed up a bit but other than that the event was run incredibly well and the proctors definitely knew what they were doing.

Write-it-do-it: My partner and I usually do very well at WIDI, but this model was a real curve ball. It was a bunch of lizard/gecko/shark/ray paper cutouts that the do-er had to cut from a sheet of paper and stick to this sticky foam board along with a few pipe cleaners and some string. The pipe cleaners and string were pretty easy, but it was incredibly difficult to describe the animals because they all looked the same... looking at the rubric it's unclear whether or not a specific type of gecko had to go in one specific place or if any gecko would suffice so long as there was a gecko at that location. But other than my personal disdain for this model, it was certainly a much-appreciated learning experience.

Our middle school attends the div b invitational every year so even though this was the first time our C team attended the invitational in a few years, I knew the tournament would be run well and the caliber of competition present, exceptional - I was right.

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby John Richardsim » February 9th, 2018, 8:19 pm

@Nick Do you have the raw scoresheets for thermo and optics? (i.e. the ones posted here: https://www.soinc.org/scoresheets)

If so, could you have them added to the folder?
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