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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby shrewdPanther46 » February 3rd, 2018, 3:41 pm

Division B scores?

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby DarthBuilder » February 3rd, 2018, 4:08 pm

Not sure. They were in a different facility not far by I believe.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby GoldenKnight1 » February 3rd, 2018, 5:18 pm

Solon C Division
Results
Team Score Rank
Mason High School A 171 1
Adlai E. Stevenson High School A 197 2
Mason High School B 204 3
Northville High School B 240 4
New Trier High School A 247 5
Bayard Rustin High School A 253 6
Mentor High School A 279 7
Beachwood High School A 321 8
Adlai E. Stevenson High School B 344 9
Troy High School 371 10
Mentor High School B 371 11
International Academy Central A 373 12
Grand Haven High School A 403 13
DuPont Manual High School A 412 14
Westlake High School A 423 15
Saint Ignatius High School A 477 16
Chardon High School A 510 17
Shady Side Academy A 546 18
Boyceville A 553 19
New Trier High School B 573 20
Hudson High School A 573 21
International Academy Central B 594 22
Mayfield High School A 618 23
Northville High School A 621 24
Medina High School 629 25
Nordonia High School 636 26
Grand Haven High School B 654 27
DuPont Manual High School B 692 28
Kenston High School A 703 29
Bayard Rustin High School B 705 30
Revere High School A 726 31
Beachwood High School B 762 32
Mayfield High School B 763 33
Columbus Academy 793 34
Westlake High School B 833 35
St. Edward High School A 847 36
Brecksville Broadview Heights High School A 878 37
Hudson High School B 914 38
Hoban High School B 939 39
Saint Ignatius High School B 957 40
Olentangy Orange High School A 961 41
Rocky River High School 963 42
Thomas Worthington High School A 970 43
Olentangy Orange High School B 977 44
Notre Dame Cathedral Latin 993 45
Aurora High School 994 46
Shady Side Academy B 1003 47
Avon Lake High School 1014 48
St. Edward High School B 1024 49
Boyceville B 1027 50
Revere High School B 1031 51
Chardon High School B 1047 52
Stow Munroe-Falls High School 1076 53
Chagrin Falls High School 1086 54
Brecksville Broadview Heights High School B 1140 55
Bio-Med Science Academy 1152 56
Cleveland Heights High School 1169 57
Thomas Worthington High School B 1184 58
Monroe Central High School 1231 59
Brush High School 1260 60
Kenston High School B 1278 61
Shaker Heights High School 1358 62
Hoban High School A 1368 63
Villa Angela - St. Joseph High School 1460 64

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby Ashernoel » February 3rd, 2018, 5:26 pm

Mason super: 89
Stevenson super: 147

Mason lowest: 10th in EXPD
Stevenson lowest: 30th in heli an 30th in widi (all others better than 10th)

Wow.

Edit: these superscores use the sheet provided with the tests that has been found to contain numerous errors.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby John Richardsim » February 3rd, 2018, 6:12 pm

For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby MIScioly1 » February 3rd, 2018, 6:30 pm

Anyone got a scoresheet?
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby kenniky » February 3rd, 2018, 6:41 pm

working on making it readable

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Team                                         Score  Rank
Mason High School A                           171     1
Adlai E. Stevenson High School A              197     2
Mason High School B                           204     3
Northville High School B                      240     4
New Trier High School A                       247     5
Bayard Rustin High School A                   253     6
Mentor High School A                          279     7
Beachwood High School A                       321     8
Adlai E. Stevenson High School B              344     9
Troy High School                              371    10
Mentor High School B                          371    11
International Academy Central A               373    12
Grand Haven High School A                     403    13
DuPont Manual High School A                   412    14
Westlake High School A                        423    15
Saint Ignatius High School A                  477    16
Chardon High School A                         510    17
Shady Side Academy A                          546    18
Boyceville A                                  553    19
New Trier High School B                       573    20
Hudson High School A                          573    21
International Academy Central B               594    22
Mayfield High School A                        618    23
Northville High School A                      621    24
Medina High School                            629    25
Nordonia High School                          636    26
Grand Haven High School B                     654    27
DuPont Manual High School B                   692    28
Kenston High School A                         703    29
Bayard Rustin High School B                   705    30
Revere High School A                          726    31
Beachwood High School B                       762    32
Mayfield High School B                        763    33
Columbus Academy                              793    34
Westlake High School B                        833    35
St. Edward High School A                      847    36
Brecksville Broadview Heights High School A   878    37
Hudson High School B                          914    38
Hoban High School B                           939    39
Saint Ignatius High School B                  957    40
Olentangy Orange High School A                961    41
Rocky River High School                       963    42
Thomas Worthington High School A              970    43
Olentangy Orange High School B                977    44
Notre Dame Cathedral Latin                    993    45
Aurora High School                            994    46
Shady Side Academy B                         1003    47
Avon Lake High School                        1014    48
St. Edward High School B                     1024    49
Boyceville B                                 1027    50
Revere High School B                         1031    51
Chardon High School B                        1047    52
Stow Munroe-Falls High School                1076    53
Chagrin Falls High School                    1086    54
Brecksville Broadview Heights High School B  1140    55
Bio-Med Science Academy                      1152    56
Cleveland Heights High School                1169    57
Thomas Worthington High School B             1184    58
Monroe Central High School                   1231    59
Brush High School                            1260    60
Kenston High School B                        1278    61
Shaker Heights High School                   1358    62
Hoban High School A                          1368    63
Villa Angela - St. Joseph High School        1460    64

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 3rd, 2018, 7:04 pm

Thank you to all of our participating teams! It was a pleasure having you with us today. We hope to see you all back next year. Here is a link to the full Div C results.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby kenniky » February 3rd, 2018, 7:24 pm

superscored (I think):

1. Mason (82)
2. Stevenson (173)
3. Mentor (190)
4. Northville (223)
5. New Trier (235)
6. Bayard Rustin (237)
7. Beachwood (298)
8. International Academy Central (302)
9. Grand Haven (359)
10. Troy [Michigan] (371)

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby dmis » February 3rd, 2018, 7:58 pm

So you are not planning on releasing Solon scores in any way. I just want to know how badly I would have lost to Scott in Mission.

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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby alylam » February 3rd, 2018, 10:29 pm

dmis wrote:So you are not planning on releasing Solon scores in any way. I just want to know how badly I would have lost to Scott in Mission.

From what they said earlier and what they’ve done in years past they probably won’t be releasing Solon scores. This is probably also why they didn’t give the official scoresheet straight out of Avogadro (like MIT) because their rankings would have been revealed on there (this also explains the errors in the scoresheet since it was taken from Avogadro but adjusted manually)
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 3rd, 2018, 10:52 pm

alylam wrote:
dmis wrote:So you are not planning on releasing Solon scores in any way. I just want to know how badly I would have lost to Scott in Mission.

From what they said earlier and what they’ve done in years past they probably won’t be releasing Solon scores. This is probably also why they didn’t give the official scoresheet straight out of Avogadro (like MIT) because their rankings would have been revealed on there (this also explains the errors in the scoresheet since it was taken from Avogadro but adjusted manually)


As previously stated, we will not be releasing scores for the two Solon team numbers. The participating teams will get raw scores for all events (not Solon’s) in addition to the overall rankings I’ve already posted here. Those should be sent out sometime tomorrow.

The transposition error on the printed scoresheet in the coaches packets was due to a copy-paste mistake I made while trying to get packets finished quickly. All of the awards were announced and presented correctly. We were able to send an updated set of final results via email about 15 minutes after the mistake was found. Your coaches should have gotten this email shortly after awards finished.

If anyone has feedback on our tournament, please feel free to PM me or shoot me an email at shsso.coaches@gmail.com. I was really happy with how the day went overall, and clearly there was some fierce competition for those top few spots.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 3rd, 2018, 11:05 pm

John Richardsim wrote:For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).


I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby John Richardsim » February 4th, 2018, 5:39 am

nicholasmaurer wrote:
John Richardsim wrote:For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).


I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.

I read that document and couldn't find any reference to the competition levels that should be used. I don't think it was anywhere on the website. It's not that I think you didn't communicate it, it's just that it doesn't seem like you communicated it enough.


Also, that having been my first time in that building, I really struggled finding my way around. Next year you should print out a lot more signs.
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Re: 2018 Solon High School Invitational

Postby dmis » February 4th, 2018, 7:10 am

nicholasmaurer wrote:
John Richardsim wrote:For future reference, you gotta do a better job making sure ESes know that regional rules are being used. Three of my five events had questions/used rules for states/nationals (including the event that lead me to ask about it in the first place).


I appreciate the feedback. I assure you this information was communicated with our supervisors. Additionally, the rules are clear that invitationals should follow the regional level rules.

To give you an idea of how seriously I take event quality at our tournament, consider this set of customized Event Supervisor Guidelines that we issued to all of our supervisors and that has been posted on our tournament website since December.

At the end of the day, the nature of invitationals is that tests will only be as good as the participating teams are able/willing to provide. Different teams bring different levels of experience at running events. Our hope is always that each puts forward the highest quality event possible.


When I read your ES guidelines I was really impressed and expected tests to be really well written. My only conclusion could be that many ES's did not read the guidelines or did not care. Frankly, I do not know how that could be improved. Perhaps you could request tests from your ES's several more weeks in advance and review them (or have Solon students take them) privately and provide feedback before the competition? As it says in the national ES manual, students will know the rules better than most ES's. Since your students don't compete officially, I personally would welcome them helping create a better experience as long as you could trust them not to talk to their friends on other teams.

I don't mean to start a test rating discussion, but the Chem lab test was a good example. While it was clear and well written, needed constants were not always provided (Hfusion h20); the first question was neither similar to one in an introductory high school course nor on physical properties or thermodynamics (On an industrial process for producing H2SO4); there was a large section strictly on balancing (which could probably be argued to be included under section c, but is certainly not a large focus that it was on the test); and there were several questions on spontaneity and gibbs free energy, a state only topic. It was a very interesting test: it was clear that the author knew a lot about chemistry, just not the rules.


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