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Postby roadscholar11 » February 10th, 2018, 5:31 pm

Anyone have a screenshot or pdf of Princeton results? I can't access them on my phone. Thanks!

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roadscholar11 wrote:Anyone have a screenshot or pdf of Princeton results? I can't access them on my phone. Thanks!

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Any spicy event ratings for us supervisors or in general? I’m interested!
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby windu34 » February 10th, 2018, 9:21 pm

pikachu4919 wrote:Any spicy event ratings for us supervisors or in general? I’m interested!

Same! (Although I forced you all to give me feedback)
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby armadillo » February 10th, 2018, 10:22 pm

I felt like the Remote Sensing test was very well madr, as it wasn't absurdly long (MIT lol) but thoroughly tested knowledge in all areas. It was also neat that studying tips were provided for each part.

Would it be possible to know what people generally found hardest/easiest on the test?

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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

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armadillo wrote:I felt like the Remote Sensing test was very well madr, as it wasn't absurdly long (MIT lol) but thoroughly tested knowledge in all areas. It was also neat that studying tips were provided for each part.

Would it be possible to know what people generally found hardest/easiest on the test?


Yeah, let's see aggregate data from that survey! How did people's estimates of their scores compare to their actual scores, I know we estimated like 50% and got like 10% higher than that...

It was a good test but I guess overall for me, maybe because I've done this event so many times, it just feels like practice comparing my skills to other teams and although there were facts I missed there wasn't really anything where I went wow I have never thought about this before.
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

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Top 6 Before Manually Stacking:
1. Montgomery (191)
2. Rustin A (203)
3. North A (249)
4. South A (264)
5. Camas (264)
6. North B (265)

Top 6 After Manually Stacking
1. North (124)
2. South (164)
3. Montgomery (191)
4. Rustin (191)
5. Charter School of Wilmington (244)
6. Lower Merion (254)

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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby jonboyage » February 11th, 2018, 9:52 am

pb5754[] wrote:Top 6 Before Manually Stacking:
1. Montgomery (191)
2. Rustin A (203)
3. North A (249)
4. South A (264)
5. Camas (264)
6. North B (265)

Top 6 After Manually Stacking
1. North (124)
2. South (164)
3. Montgomery (191)
4. Rustin (191)
5. Charter School of Wilmington (244)
6. Lower Merion (254)


I got Rustin in 3rd with 186 points. Doesn’t make that much of a difference, but I wanted to point it out :P
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby windu34 » February 11th, 2018, 10:12 am

armadillo wrote:I felt like the Remote Sensing test was very well madr, as it wasn't absurdly long (MIT lol) but thoroughly tested knowledge in all areas. It was also neat that studying tips were provided for each part.

Would it be possible to know what people generally found hardest/easiest on the test?

Im glad you liked it! Yes! I will be compiling all the data i took from the survey and be analyzing it against teams' raw scores amd would be happy to post it here!
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby windu34 » February 11th, 2018, 10:24 am

knottingpurple wrote:
armadillo wrote:I felt like the Remote Sensing test was very well madr, as it wasn't absurdly long (MIT lol) but thoroughly tested knowledge in all areas. It was also neat that studying tips were provided for each part.

Would it be possible to know what people generally found hardest/easiest on the test?


Yeah, let's see aggregate data from that survey! How did people's estimates of their scores compare to their actual scores, I know we estimated like 50% and got like 10% higher than that...

It was a good test but I guess overall for me, maybe because I've done this event so many times, it just feels like practice comparing my skills to other teams and although there were facts I missed there wasn't really anything where I went wow I have never thought about this before.

Interesting point, i am curious to see how i can combine different aspects of the event to bring about new and interesting questions that have more application in them to make it more interesting. This will definitely be evident in the next test that i write

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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby whythelongface » February 11th, 2018, 1:31 pm

Time for the day-after review! Overall, it was a long day, and not all of it was enjoyable, but that wasn't because of the competition itself.

Fermi Questions: A good solid test by the legend himself (not going to namedrop here, but you know who he is. He also supervised the DP test this year and Astro last year...). Standard questions, starting out with a few about Princeton, and then branching into many many different subjects and areas. Just a decent test overall.

Herpetology: I know nothing about herpetology, but as someone who does know how to do binder ID events, I'm disappointed that the majority of the images were projected onto a screen and switched, station-style. For someone whose vision isn't exactly great, how hard would it have been to set up actual stations with those images? Can't comment on the quality of the test though, since I don't know anything about the subject.

Remote Sensing: Solid test, good calculations, decent image interpretation, this test is slightly harder than what I'm usually accustomed to but it was enjoyable and a decent test overall.

Rocks and Minerals: A few new concepts actually popped up during the test, which was actually really surprising. The identification was standard, but the theory stuff was more difficult, including the TAS diagram and stuff about the CCD (thankfully, preparations for Ocean Bowl made that one slightly less challenging, although I definitely still got stuff wrong because I was running short on time). Station length was timed very well, making it very difficult to complete stations, although it wasn't impossible if you knew everything very well. A good test, and good job to whoever wrote it.
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby pikachu4919 » February 11th, 2018, 1:35 pm

whythelongface wrote:Herpetology: I know nothing about herpetology, but as someone who does know how to do binder ID events, I'm disappointed that the majority of the images were projected onto a screen and switched, station-style. For someone whose vision isn't exactly great, how hard would it have been to set up actual stations with those images? Can't comment on the quality of the test though, since I don't know anything about the subject.


Keep in mind that the original writers of the test were unable to be there to proctor it themselves.

Edit: this is actually what I did once when I wrote an Invasive Species test last year and couldn't be there to proctor it myself, I did a powerpoint with all the specimens that timed itself
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Postby CrayolaCrayon » February 11th, 2018, 1:48 pm

(NVM)
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Re: 2018 Princeton University Invitational

Postby roadscholar11 » February 11th, 2018, 1:54 pm

My reviews:

Remote Sensing: a solid test overall; it covered all topics well and had an appropriate difficulty level. The math was a bit easier than I was expecting, but I liked how some of the math questions were really creative (#methaneCowsFTW).

Dynamic Planet: easily the most tragic test I've ever taken, out of Science Olympiad, out of regular classes, out of anything I've found online...it had so many random and tough concepts from geology that we ended up guessing on pretty much everything past the first page, and I didn't even realize that there was a guessing penalty on the multiple choice... I'm surprised that we did so well (20th!)

Experimental Design: well-run, interesting topic, not much to say here.

Game On: the topic was a little silly, to say the least. I felt pretty iced after that event. Nice touch with having two people grade the game then averaging the scores! I haven't seen this done at any tournament so far, but I would imagine that having two people grade substantially reduces the randomness involved in grading this event.

Hovercraft: the test was a little short/easy for 40 minutes, but it was a solid test that covered most of the mechanics event topics well. The last question in particular was really interesting and we spent most of the time working on that question, although I thought Scioly wasn't supposed to ask questions that require Calculus? I wish there had been a bit more fluid dynamics questions, but it was a fine test overall. Kudos to the really nice scratch paper the supervisor provided!


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