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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby Awesomekiller19 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:55 pm

Did Somerset votech in division C win anything?

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby jfmath04 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:58 pm

Awesomekiller19 wrote:Did Somerset votech in division C win anything?

Yep! They got some medals :D

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby jfmath04 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:28 am

Good job to everyone at States today!!!

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby Matholy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:25 am

Anyone know when full results are going to come out?

Well obviously I'm stupid for asking this question because it just came out at 9:33, 8 minutes after I asked.

http://www.njscienceolympiad.org/tourna ... esults.pdf
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby Awesomekiller19 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:28 am

It usually takes about 1-2 days but last year it took like 4-5 day

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby knottingpurple » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:29 am

Matholy wrote:Anyone know when full results are going to come out?


http://www.njscienceolympiad.org/tournaments/2018/state/2018_state_finals_results.pdf
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby Alex-RCHS » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:53 am

If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby shrewdPanther46 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:56 am

But they do...

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby dxu46 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:03 am

Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:

Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby pb5754[] » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:11 am

Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:

Oof

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby shrewdPanther46 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:14 am

dxu46 wrote:
Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:

Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.


it definetly isnt right and makes no sense, but i wouldn't call it unfair. i mean, all teams knew it counted. it was up to them to invest time in it or not...
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby Matholy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:15 am

If trial events didn't count, it would have been 78 v 78.
But, south has 9 firsts and north has 7 firsts, so south woulda won.

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby knottingpurple » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:24 am

Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:


If heli hadn't been thrown out yet year, Monty would've won. Today, if trial events didn't count, but also if the appeals people submitted were accepted, if the competition on Tuesday wasn't cancelled because of snow, if the tests which were kinda easy but still within the rules were a bit harder, if every team were given the same conflicts... there's any number of things which could have changed the results, there's any number of ways we could cherry pick the data and argue a certain team is, underneath, the best. I felt no joy from this tournament, unlike 2016 States where we also lost but participating felt worthwhile, but how I feel about the tournament does not decide if it counts or not. Since we can't send all of NJ to Nats, we don't actually know which team would be the best in this year's Nats to see if it even agrees with today's results, but we just have to deal with NJSO's method of running tournaments. My partners and I in some of my events, we chose answers we didn't consider technically correct because we know how NJ States works, we thought they were looking for the simplistic answer or something, not the real one. We knew going in that there would be trial events counted and poorly run events and who knows what other problems, and the team which wins despite those problems goes to Nats. Oh well.

If I sound slightly salty, I'm sorry, I'm still trying to sound a lot calmer than I feel? But we'll live.

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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby pb5754[] » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:28 am

shrewdPanther46 wrote:
dxu46 wrote:
Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:

Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.


it definetly isnt right and makes no sense, but i wouldn't call it unfair. i mean, all teams knew it counted. it was up to them to invest time in it or not...

Solar vehicle definitely shouldn't have counted... especially after all of those last-minute changes. (ofc it wouldn't be enough to make a difference)
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Re: New Jersey 2018

Postby windu34 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:49 am

knottingpurple wrote:
Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won :shock:


If heli hadn't been thrown out yet year, Monty would've won. Today, if trial events didn't count, but also if the appeals people submitted were accepted, if the competition on Tuesday wasn't cancelled because of snow, if the tests which were kinda easy but still within the rules were a bit harder, if every team were given the same conflicts... there's any number of things which could have changed the results, there's any number of ways we could cherry pick the data and argue a certain team is, underneath, the best. I felt no joy from this tournament, unlike 2016 States where we also lost but participating felt worthwhile, but how I feel about the tournament does not decide if it counts or not. Since we can't send all of NJ to Nats, we don't actually know which team would be the best in this year's Nats to see if it even agrees with today's results, but we just have to deal with NJSO's method of running tournaments. My partners and I in some of my events, we chose answers we didn't consider technically correct because we know how NJ States works, we thought they were looking for the simplistic answer or something, not the real one. We knew going in that there would be trial events counted and poorly run events and who knows what other problems, and the team which wins despite those problems goes to Nats. Oh well.

If I sound slightly salty, I'm sorry, I'm still trying to sound a lot calmer than I feel? But we'll live.

Congrats to North for winning. Congrats to South for being in the top 2 since 2006 consecutively. Congrats to Monty for being really close behind South once again. Congrats to JPS for really improving. Congrats to Community for it's umpteenth trip to Nats and to Monty Middle for regaining 2nd. Idk enough about the other teams to know what to congratulate them for besides working hard but yeah.

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