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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby JVallurup47 » April 28th, 2018, 9:04 pm

dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Without the events that didn't place, Ladue Middle would've gotten 41 points - the lowest score ever recorded
  • Ladue got 70 points, which means that roller coaster and WIDI combined made up 29 points
  • Thermodynamics in both divisions were thrown out because of bad proctoring
  • Ladue High was missing two of their best members
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point
  • There were $100 dollar scholarships for the winners of Battery Buggy and Mousetrap Vehicle, in honor of Alan Pringle


Well, RIp Ladue, I saw the roller coaster run and I knew from then that Pembroke was going to win. It is sad that one or two events can put you out of the running for something this prestigious. Maybe they change this? Also would thermo have made a difference for the team?

Good job to Pembroke they deserve it.

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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby JVallurup47 » April 28th, 2018, 9:06 pm

dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Without the events that didn't place, Ladue Middle would've gotten 41 points - the lowest score ever recorded
  • Ladue got 70 points, which means that roller coaster and WIDI combined made up 29 points
  • Thermodynamics in both divisions were thrown out because of bad proctoring
  • Ladue High was missing two of their best members
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point
  • There were $100 dollar scholarships for the winners of Battery Buggy and Mousetrap Vehicle, in honor of Alan Pringle


Also congrats to DXU46 for constantly carrying his team. He has been recognized for sure...

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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby hippo9 » April 29th, 2018, 5:35 am

JVallurup47 wrote:
dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Without the events that didn't place, Ladue Middle would've gotten 41 points - the lowest score ever recorded
  • Ladue got 70 points, which means that roller coaster and WIDI combined made up 29 points
  • Thermodynamics in both divisions were thrown out because of bad proctoring
  • Ladue High was missing two of their best members
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point
  • There were $100 dollar scholarships for the winners of Battery Buggy and Mousetrap Vehicle, in honor of Alan Pringle


Well, RIp Ladue, I saw the roller coaster run and I knew from then that Pembroke was going to win. It is sad that one or two events can put you out of the running for something this prestigious. Maybe they change this? Also would thermo have made a difference for the team?

Good job to Pembroke they deserve it.

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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby Magikarpmaster629 » April 29th, 2018, 6:33 am

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dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point

One point, just wow....

I heard the audience was really rude about this- cheering when Ladue got second, and cheering even more when they heard it was just one point.

pajobubo wrote:Kinda interested as to why Thermo got thrown out, what happened in the room and why they thought it was serious enough to toss it. It’s not like tossing events isn’t common, but still interesting to get the full scoop.

Not everyone was given thermometers. I don't see why they couldn't have just graded the test portion and not the build? Throwing out events is very uncommon for Missouri states, when there are constantly poor events run without throwing them out (see: Hydrogeology 2017 when I won the event because it was the Geologic Mapping test from the year before (although I didn't actually do Geomapping at competition besides that time I just studied for it)).
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby dxu46 » April 29th, 2018, 6:36 am

Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
pajobubo wrote:Kinda interested as to why Thermo got thrown out, what happened in the room and why they thought it was serious enough to toss it. It’s not like tossing events isn’t common, but still interesting to get the full scoop.

Not everyone was given thermometers. I don't see why they couldn't have just graded the test portion and not the build? Throwing out events is very uncommon for Missouri states, when there are constantly poor events run without throwing them out (see: Hydrogeology 2017 when I won the event because it was the Geologic Mapping test from the year before (although I didn't actually do Geomapping at competition besides that time I just studied for it)).

What I heard was that the starting temperatures were different and the ES didn't supervise the timing, so teams could cheat and say that their device lost X degrees when it was actually X + Y points.
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby dxu46 » April 29th, 2018, 6:54 am

Scores came out on moscioly.org
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby Tailsfan101 » April 29th, 2018, 7:42 am

From moscioly.org: "We have validated the scores and are please to confirm that the National qualifying team is Pembroke Hill for both Division B and Division C."
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby JVallurup47 » April 29th, 2018, 7:59 am

Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
hippo9 wrote:
dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point

One point, just wow....

I heard the audience was really rude about this- cheering when Ladue got second, and cheering even more when they heard it was just one point.

pajobubo wrote:Kinda interested as to why Thermo got thrown out, what happened in the room and why they thought it was serious enough to toss it. It’s not like tossing events isn’t common, but still interesting to get the full scoop.

Not everyone was given thermometers. I don't see why they couldn't have just graded the test portion and not the build? Throwing out events is very uncommon for Missouri states, when there are constantly poor events run without throwing them out (see: Hydrogeology 2017 when I won the event because it was the Geologic Mapping test from the year before (although I didn't actually do Geomapping at competition besides that time I just studied for it)).



Everyone was booing ladue because you guys win every year. Also, in some of your build events you guys use very interesting strategies that are kind of bending the rules, and everyone knows about this. In towers you made a really light tower and you depended on just holding the bucket and abusing the bonus.

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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby pajobubo » April 29th, 2018, 9:06 am

JVallurup47 wrote:
Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
hippo9 wrote:One point, just wow....

I heard the audience was really rude about this- cheering when Ladue got second, and cheering even more when they heard it was just one point.

pajobubo wrote:Kinda interested as to why Thermo got thrown out, what happened in the room and why they thought it was serious enough to toss it. It’s not like tossing events isn’t common, but still interesting to get the full scoop.

Not everyone was given thermometers. I don't see why they couldn't have just graded the test portion and not the build? Throwing out events is very uncommon for Missouri states, when there are constantly poor events run without throwing them out (see: Hydrogeology 2017 when I won the event because it was the Geologic Mapping test from the year before (although I didn't actually do Geomapping at competition besides that time I just studied for it)).



Everyone was booing ladue because you guys win every year. Also, in some of your build events you guys use very interesting strategies that are kind of bending the rules, and everyone knows about this. In towers you made a really light tower and you depended on just holding the bucket and abusing the bonus.

-Wydown kid


I wouldn’t say everyone was booing Ladue... some people obviously don’t like Ladue, the same way some people obviously don’t like Pembroke or even Wydown: because they win stuff. There’s always going to be rivalries in any style of competition. Was the audience tough with Ladue? Yeah. What happened, happened already, lets not dwell over that too much.

I am totally a fan of rule bending strategies... they require you to think outside of the box, that’s good, as long as they are still legal and do not ruin the spirit of the rules. That bucket only strategy for towers has been brought up many times on the towers forums, and discussed in depth. It is legal, does not violate the spirit of the rules, and on top of that takes guts to pull off, because if you mess up that can result in tiering and bad placing, bad for your team overall. Again, this is just my opinion.

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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby antoine_ego » April 29th, 2018, 9:43 am

JVallurup47 wrote:
Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
hippo9 wrote:
Everyone was booing ladue because you guys win every year. Also, in some of your build events you guys use very interesting strategies that are kind of bending the rules, and everyone knows about this. In towers you made a really light tower and you depended on just holding the bucket and abusing the bonus.

-Wydown kid


That's pretty mean... For towers, so long as they were able to hold the bucket and a bit of sand, it's totally legal and even a strategy. I do hope that the coaches chastised their teams afterwards for booing. That's just poor sportsmanship.
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Postby Alex-RCHS » April 29th, 2018, 10:04 am

pajobubo wrote:What happened, happened already, lets not dwell over that too much.

When someone says this in an internet argument they are almost always wrong.

Taunting a hardworking team just because they typically win is rude and against the spirit of Science Olympiad. Those people should be ashamed.
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby TheChiScientist » April 29th, 2018, 11:58 am

Wow. I go to the Chi for one day and all of this happens? It's a shame about Ladue... One point... I feel ya. :(
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Postby EastStroudsburg13 » April 29th, 2018, 12:17 pm

JVallurup47 wrote:Everyone was booing ladue because you guys win every year. Also, in some of your build events you guys use very interesting strategies that are kind of bending the rules, and everyone knows about this. In towers you made a really light tower and you depended on just holding the bucket and abusing the bonus.

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This is kinda disappointing to hear. That's a valid Towers strategy, and regardless of people's strategies, there is never any reason to boo another team. That's really unfortunate and the MO state director should have called out anyone who booed. That's not sportsmanlike at all.
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby TheChiScientist » April 29th, 2018, 12:23 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:This is kinda disappointing to hear. That's a valid Towers strategy, and regardless of people's strategies, there is never any reason to boo another team. That's really unfortunate and the MO state director should have called out anyone who booed. That's not sportsmanlike at all.

I agree on that but I can relate to the people that booed. Stevenson and NT have won the ISO Nats bids for the past 9 years and people are starting get tired of it. Clearly, there will be dislike but it still does not justify this. :roll: In the end, they are still people that got lucky to be on a Nats qualifying team. (Although people would like to see things shake up a bit) :D
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Re: Missouri 2018

Postby JVallurup47 » April 29th, 2018, 5:44 pm

Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
hippo9 wrote:
dxu46 wrote:Some random facts:
  • Pembroke High beat Ladue High by 13 points (61-74) while the middle schools had 69-70 - one point

One point, just wow....

I heard the audience was really rude about this- cheering when Ladue got second, and cheering even more when they heard it was just one point.

pajobubo wrote:Kinda interested as to why Thermo got thrown out, what happened in the room and why they thought it was serious enough to toss it. It’s not like tossing events isn’t common, but still interesting to get the full scoop.

Not everyone was given thermometers. I don't see why they couldn't have just graded the test portion and not the build? Throwing out events is very uncommon for Missouri states, when there are constantly poor events run without throwing them out (see: Hydrogeology 2017 when I won the event because it was the Geologic Mapping test from the year before (although I didn't actually do Geomapping at competition besides that time I just studied for it)).


Another thing I heard was that ladue brought graphing calculators in many events that they weren’t allowed to. In optics they brought three graphing calcs instead of two.


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