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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Unome » April 12th, 2018, 8:22 am

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1. Troy
2. Harriton
3. Mason
4. Solon
5. Mounds View
6. Mira Loma
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14. WW-P North
15. Carmel
16. Grand Haven
17. Camas
18. Brookwood
19. Conestoga
20. Enloe
21. Chattahoochee
22. Pembroke Hill
23. Clark
24. Fossil Ridge
25. Iolani
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27. Blue Valley North
28. Archimedean
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby mnoga » April 12th, 2018, 11:58 am

Where is Mountain View, Albany, and Palo Alto? Or are they not on this list because you expect Mira Loma to beat them at NorCal State?

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Unome » April 12th, 2018, 12:25 pm

mnoga wrote:Where is Mountain View, Albany, and Palo Alto? Or are they not on this list because you expect Mira Loma to beat them at NorCal State?

I consider Mira Loma the most likely winner, although I agree that Albany or Mountain View have a chance. I don't think Paly has much of a shot at winning this year.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby mnoga » April 12th, 2018, 1:33 pm

The National Tournament should be modified to invite at least a few wildcard teams like Albany or Mountain View. These teams are better than most at Nationals AND by going to Nationals it would give them a better chance to win their state tournament the following year.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby pb5754[] » April 12th, 2018, 1:37 pm

mnoga wrote:The National Tournament should be modified to invite at least a few wildcard teams like Albany or Mountain View. These teams are better than most at Nationals AND by going to Nationals it would give them a better chance to win their state tournament the following year.

The same can be said about teams such as Seven Lakes, Clements, Centerville, Mentor, WWP South, Montgomery, etc.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby maxxxxx » April 12th, 2018, 3:36 pm

pb5754[] wrote:
mnoga wrote:The National Tournament should be modified to invite at least a few wildcard teams like Albany or Mountain View. These teams are better than most at Nationals AND by going to Nationals it would give them a better chance to win their state tournament the following year.

The same can be said about teams such as Seven Lakes, Clements, Centerville, Mentor, WWP South, Montgomery, etc.


Along with this, it would be pretty much impossible to standardize a wildcard system. The best idea I've seen is Kenniky's proposed system in the team numbers thread, but even if something were implemented I very much doubt that it would affect CA teams at all since CA already gets two bids
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby SOPomo » April 12th, 2018, 5:56 pm

Unome wrote:
mnoga wrote:Where is Mountain View, Albany, and Palo Alto? Or are they not on this list because you expect Mira Loma to beat them at NorCal State?

I consider Mira Loma the most likely winner, although I agree that Albany or Mountain View have a chance. I don't think Paly has much of a shot at winning this year.


I think it will be a very interesting State tourney at both levels this year. It's been a while since Mira Loma's been given a real run for it. Churchill's had Kennedy breathing down their necks for years now. We'll see, maybe I'll try to upkeep something during awards.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby windu34 » April 12th, 2018, 5:58 pm

maxxxxx wrote:
pb5754[] wrote:
mnoga wrote:The National Tournament should be modified to invite at least a few wildcard teams like Albany or Mountain View. These teams are better than most at Nationals AND by going to Nationals it would give them a better chance to win their state tournament the following year.

The same can be said about teams such as Seven Lakes, Clements, Centerville, Mentor, WWP South, Montgomery, etc.


Along with this, it would be pretty much impossible to standardize a wildcard system. The best idea I've seen is Kenniky's proposed system in the team numbers thread, but even if something were implemented I very much doubt that it would affect CA teams at all since CA already gets two bids

I think an even bigger limitation of inviting more teams that no one seems to talk about is the fact that there are currently 6 time blocks and 10 teams per block. What will you do with the extra teams? You can't just say lets do 12 teams per time block because events like Mousetrap and Mission already struggle to score all the teams in one time block. You could try adding more time blocks, but then grading takes longer and awards is pushed back an hour.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Unome » April 12th, 2018, 6:20 pm

windu34 wrote:
maxxxxx wrote:
pb5754[] wrote:The same can be said about teams such as Seven Lakes, Clements, Centerville, Mentor, WWP South, Montgomery, etc.


Along with this, it would be pretty much impossible to standardize a wildcard system. The best idea I've seen is Kenniky's proposed system in the team numbers thread, but even if something were implemented I very much doubt that it would affect CA teams at all since CA already gets two bids

I think an even bigger limitation of inviting more teams that no one seems to talk about is the fact that there are currently 6 time blocks and 10 teams per block. What will you do with the extra teams? You can't just say lets do 12 teams per time block because events like Mousetrap and Mission already struggle to score all the teams in one time block. You could try adding more time blocks, but then grading takes longer and awards is pushed back an hour.

At Nationals, I'm not quite sure about the timing thing - e.g. I've heard Mission ESes claim that a very skilled ES could run 10 teams in an hour solo (though keeping the pace for 6 hours is obviously still going to be difficult). Although, 11 teams per timeslot would give us 15 B and 16 C this year, which is about the same as the 2010 number for B and in between the 2007 and 2008 numbers for C.
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Crtomir » April 13th, 2018, 4:33 am

ScottMaurer19 wrote:
Crtomir wrote:
Unome wrote:My newer rankings (feel free to let me know if you think I forgot someone, that's rather likely)

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Harriton
4. Solon


Mason? Seriously? Beating Solon? Seriously? ;)

Thanks for the support :D


Just beat Solon at the State Tournament first! ;)

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby Crtomir » April 13th, 2018, 4:36 am

windu34 wrote:I think many of us (including me) just want to see the underdog win and overthrow the dominant school just to prove it is possible to all the teams/schools out there who have lost hope of ever going to nationals due to state powerhouses
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I agree. However, as Tower Heights showed last year in Div-B, beating the state powerhouse (even a national powerhouse - Solon) at the State Tournament does not directly translate into doing well at Nationals.

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby ScottMaurer19 » April 13th, 2018, 4:39 am

Crtomir wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:
Crtomir wrote:
Mason? Seriously? Beating Solon? Seriously? ;)

Thanks for the support :D


Just beat Solon at the State Tournament first! ;)

I think I might have an easier time beating Mason :?:
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby 4Head » April 13th, 2018, 5:12 am

ScottMaurer19 wrote:
Crtomir wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:Thanks for the support :D


Just beat Solon at the State Tournament first! ;)

I think I might have an easier time beating Mason :?:

It probably would be a lot easier to sabotage your own team than to beat Mason
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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

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Re: Unofficial Rankings C

Postby ET2020 » April 17th, 2018, 3:09 pm

1. Troy (CA)
2. Mason (OH)
3. TX (Prediction LASA)
4. Harriton (PA)
5. Solon (OH)
6.Mounds View (MN)
7. Mira Loma (CA)
8. New Trier (IL)
9. Fayetteville-Manlius (NY)
10. Columbia (NY)
11. Northville (MI)
12. Adlai E. Stevenson (IL)
13. West Windsor Plainsboro North (NJ)
14. Acton-Boxborough (MA)
15. Carmel (IN)
16. Troy (MI)
17. Boca Raton (FL)
18. Bayard Rustin (PA)
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