Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

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Re: Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

Postby hippo9 » April 29th, 2018, 7:20 pm

Unome wrote:
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bernard wrote:For both runs, the team's device stopped abruptly, tilting forward and pushing the vertical dowel up.

Ok makes sense, but being able to stop that abruptly is a feat in and of itself.

The abruptness of stopping is not the concern.

I know, I'm just saying getting a vehicle to stop that suddenly that it almost tips over, is very hard to do.
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Re: Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

Postby Ashernoel » April 29th, 2018, 8:48 pm

From what my teammate in EV last year tells me, the ES measured the dowel after the first run, declared the violation, and gave them the next few minutes to fix the problem.

It was especially hard for him because they had so much video evidence of the dowel not moving enough to violate the rules in their practice runs, but stuff happened at nationals and they were thrown into a dire and unexpected scenario. The given explanation at the time was not clear to the participants, though it might have been to the super, and the time it consumed hindered their ability to adequately prepare for their second run.

I had thought the violation was due to the dowel being used as a brake when it stopped, but it turns out this was not the case.

My apologies for using the word "disgusting" to describe the ruling, as it appears it was handled fairly and well by the committee (and the event supervisor), and my own team bias should not have been so pervasive when speaking to such an objective matter.
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Re: Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

Postby windu34 » April 29th, 2018, 10:22 pm

hippo9 wrote:
Unome wrote:
hippo9 wrote:Ok makes sense, but being able to stop that abruptly is a feat in and of itself.

The abruptness of stopping is not the concern.

I know, I'm just saying getting a vehicle to stop that suddenly that it almost tips over, is very hard to do.

I dont now what youre trying to accomplish here. It was considered a competition violation because their device's distance score could not be measured accurately due to a clear violation of the rule that stated the dowel must remain within <=1cm of the surface of the track. Difficulty in stopping is completely irrelevant and this team did not have the most abrupt braking for the record. If you saw Troy's 2016 EV run, you would probably think the laws of physics had been broken

Ashernoel: Can you testify to exactly what was trying to be accomplished by the competitors in this case? Was something being accomplished by the dowel moving? (I know this is slightly off-topic, but Im super curious)
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Re: Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

Postby 4Head » April 30th, 2018, 4:38 pm

windu34 wrote: If you saw Troy's 2016 EV run, you would probably think the laws of physics had been broken

Can confirm. Black magic was involved. Saw it live sry
Ashernoel: Can you testify to exactly what was trying to be accomplished by the competitors in this case? Was something being accomplished by the dowel moving? (I know this is slightly off-topic, but Im super curious)

It sounds like they didn’t even know about it until the competition, and their dowel was just not 100% secure
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Re: Amended Nationals Appeals Policy

Postby TheChiScientist » May 1st, 2018, 5:35 am

windu34 wrote:If you saw Troy's 2016 EV run, you would probably think the laws of physics had been broken

What? Why?
4Head wrote:Can confirm. Black magic was involved. Saw it live sry

Now I am curious. :?:
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