Test flying eliminated?

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby Boss » Wed May 02, 2018 8:16 pm

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shrewdPanther46 wrote:
chalker wrote:I think they are only going to allow test flights on Saturday morning in order to ensure all teams have equal opportunities, regardless of travel schedules.

Do you know if something similar will be incorporated for the vehicle events in the ballroom?


I'm pretty sure none of the vehicle events will have early practice sessions.

Vehicle testing was not allowed last year at nationals either. Several (I noted around 10-12 only because I was looking for a place to test myself) teams tested in secluded sections of the underground tunnel system last year because the rules explicitly stated testing on the track prior to competition was grounds for DQ, but it is pretty crucial that you test your device after travel and make any fine adjustments that are necessary. It was very upsetting that Nationals decided to discontinue allowing testing the day before competition and no matter what they try to implement, the best teams will (and did) find a way to test beforehand, whether that means finding secluded areas to test in where tournament officials will unlikely be present or staying up until 3am the night before the tournament to test on a similar floor scheme as to that of the venue.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby coachchuckaahs » Wed May 02, 2018 8:20 pm

A lot easier for vehicles than for Wright Stuff!

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby CMS AC » Wed May 02, 2018 9:21 pm

For Wright Stuff, there's the Indoor Practice Facility... could that work?

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby coachchuckaahs » Wed May 02, 2018 9:24 pm

Is that being made available to us?

If the issue is just keeping us out of the assigned venue, then yes, that could work. However, it woudl have to be made available, as we woudl not want to be flying around soccer and Frisbee.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby ScottMaurer19 » Thu May 03, 2018 2:03 am

coachchuckaahs wrote:Is that being made available to us?

If the issue is just keeping us out of the assigned venue, then yes, that could work. However, it woudl have to be made available, as we woudl not want to be flying around soccer and Frisbee.

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I remember flying ELG back in Wisconsin. For flying events such as ELG and WS I definitely think practice time should be made available in a safe space
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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby Dastan » Thu May 03, 2018 3:17 pm

I was told that no access to those spaces until Saturday morning. I dont know if this means that they will allow us to have some practices in the morning or not.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby coachchuckaahs » Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 pm

I wonder if they intend to keep the gym dimensions secret until the morning as well? The rules require them to announce the gym dimensions "in advance of the competition". It would seem the spirit of this rule would be well in advance, such that teams can prepare and test toward that scope. But this is the latest I can recall and still not having the venue dimensions.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby ScottMaurer19 » Thu May 03, 2018 4:45 pm

coachchuckaahs wrote:I wonder if they intend to keep the gym dimensions secret until the morning as well? The rules require them to announce the gym dimensions "in advance of the competition". It would seem the spirit of this rule would be well in advance, such that teams can prepare and test toward that scope. But this is the latest I can recall and still not having the venue dimensions.

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For helicopters it is in racquetball courts which are typically 40 feet long, 20 feet wide, and 20 feet high. As for WS I would expect them to release it soon. I know in the past I have been able to find gym heights by looking up the facility.
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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby coachchuckaahs » Thu May 03, 2018 4:50 pm

Thanks Scott. Yes, I am more concerned about WS height. I have found floor plans from which you can scale the size of the room, but ceiling or obstruction height has been difficult. Since it is part of Moby Arena, photos tend to focus on the arena, not the Aux gym. Have not found a height online (yet). Should not be up to coaches to do the detective work when the dimensions are supposed to be out in advance.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby ScottMaurer19 » Thu May 03, 2018 4:54 pm

coachchuckaahs wrote:Thanks Scott. Yes, I am more concerned about WS height. I have found floor plans from which you can scale the size of the room, but ceiling or obstruction height has been difficult. Since it is part of Moby Arena, photos tend to focus on the arena, not the Aux gym. Have not found a height online (yet). Should not be up to coaches to do the detective work when the dimensions are supposed to be out in advance.

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I did a google search and think I found a picture of the Moby Aux. "courts" but it looks like the gym. ImageImage
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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby coachchuckaahs » Thu May 03, 2018 4:57 pm

Yup. Those are the ONLY two photos I could find anywhere.

I guess that is the best info we'll have pending official numbers.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby killer225whale » Thu May 03, 2018 7:41 pm

coachchuckaahs wrote:Yup. Those are the ONLY two photos I could find anywhere.

I guess that is the best info we'll have pending official numbers.

Chuck


The dimensions have been released: https://coloradoscienceolympiad.org/nat ... sions.html.

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby sciolyperson1 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:52 pm

killer225whale wrote:
coachchuckaahs wrote:Yup. Those are the ONLY two photos I could find anywhere.

I guess that is the best info we'll have pending official numbers.

Chuck


The dimensions have been released: https://coloradoscienceolympiad.org/nat ... sions.html.

Just wondering, where did you get the link? I can't seem to find it on the website at https://coloradoscienceolympiad.org/nationals2018/

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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby shrewdPanther46 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:56 pm

Its the last item under "Teams" called "Event Room Dimensions"
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Re: Test flying eliminated?

Postby Riptide » Sat May 12, 2018 2:51 pm

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Looks like test flying is limited to only the morning on competition day.
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