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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by shrewdPanther46 » May 22nd, 2018, 4:52 pm

For Crime busters (9) I completely agree. I did not like the test. I felt all the ID and stuff were way too simple, and the analysis didn't really make much sense (unless if im missing the big picture here). I wouldn't rank it above a 4/10.

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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by megrimlockawesom » May 22nd, 2018, 6:37 pm

4Head wrote:
megrimlockawesom wrote:Im still salty about Solon and Kennedy beating us in BB, but overall I am happy with my 3rd place in BB
heard u got lucky tho :?: :?: :?:
We did not. We have been consistently getting these type of distances during practices. But i didn’t expect us to place this high
Ok this is epic 8-)
Events 2018: Battery Buggy (3rd at Nats), Rollercoaster (18th at Nats), Ping Pong (1st at states)
Events 2019: Codebusters, Ping Pong Parachute (2nd at Regionals OVERALL), Thermodynamics
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by megrimlockawesom » May 22nd, 2018, 6:37 pm

4Head wrote:
megrimlockawesom wrote:Im still salty about Solon and Kennedy beating us in BB, but overall I am happy with my 3rd place in BB
heard u got lucky tho :?: :?: :?:
Where did you hear this?
Ok this is epic 8-)
Events 2018: Battery Buggy (3rd at Nats), Rollercoaster (18th at Nats), Ping Pong (1st at states)
Events 2019: Codebusters, Ping Pong Parachute (2nd at Regionals OVERALL), Thermodynamics
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by pikachu4919 » May 22nd, 2018, 6:54 pm

megrimlockawesom wrote:
4Head wrote:
megrimlockawesom wrote:Im still salty about Solon and Kennedy beating us in BB, but overall I am happy with my 3rd place in BB
heard u got lucky tho :?: :?: :?:
We did not. We have been consistently getting these type of distances during practices. But i didn’t expect us to place this high
Hi, I’d just like to remind you that this thread is not (necessarily) for you to vent about how you felt about your results. In case you haven’t noticed in most of the posts that have been already made, this thread is primarily for discussing how you felt about how the events were run, like what you felt was good about how it was run, and what you felt was iffy about how it was run. For example, in this case about BB, you could talk about how efficient or not impound was or how nice/scary the proctors/volunteers were or the quality of the setup.
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by Ashernoel » May 22nd, 2018, 7:00 pm

Astronomy (6): Of all the astronomy tests I've ever taken, this was definitely the best. Astronomy is my favorite event, without a doubt and by many miles, and I only wish that I could have done better, both for me but also for my partner who worked so hard after joining Science Olympiad this year to master the DSOs. I only touched sections B and C, but both were theoretical with the, in my opinion, harder free response or derivation type questions than classic plug and chug of many astro tests. Admittedly, due to a combination of fatigue and lack of preparation in that regard, I did get tripped up on the binary orbits question and landed a flat 2/20. I had given up all hope of placing within the top 20, knowing that I had missed the last JS9 question and a few others, and could have tanked the team. My partner complained about the easy DSO section and lack of arxiv questions after the test, which could be taken as an area of improvement. I did the DSO section last year and agree that they can leave something to be desired. A few questions from research papers mixed in with the classic Donna questions could go a long way in making people feel good about their countless hours researching the objects. Especially because it is so common for one person to hyper focus on DSOs in this event, that section of the test could do with more theory and less ambiguity usually afforded to it by the HR diagram questions. In the end, we somehow medalled and did not tank our team, which was as much as a surprise as it was welcome. I can't wait for the galaxies test next year! 100/10

Hovercraft (2): From what I saw, the event supervisor checked all the boxes: the test could stratify teams, the tracks were well made, and the hovercraft's were run promptly almost as a "show," where the teams were announced to the room of wide-eyed spectators like gladiators or something awesome. I remember having to quell my own excitement after "New Trier" was declared to the crowd so that I could focus on avoiding the misfortunes of last year and making sound and precise decisions about my device's settings. The volunteer who was timing my run on Track 3 was knowledgeable and supportive, both before and after my successful runs, and his positivity was greatly welcomed as I was still recovering from the emotional hole of the Astronomy orbital problem (oops). After the device ran, the test went smoothly. My partner covered most of the elementary physics problems, and I focused my attention on the fluids and free response. We noticed that the event supervisor seemed to create a test that was a conglomeration from many different sources, as the value for gravity changed throughout the test (lol). Also, some of the sig figs felt ambiguous in the free response with the diagrams and different sig fig rules. I think I messed up when doing the fountain problem and it cost us the gold, but in end I'm very happy with our showing and thrilled with retiring this event on such a high note. 8/10
Details about my run: 16 pennies and a 15.72 run time with a 15s target time. 41.5/42 Build score.

Thermodynamics (2): The event was run flawlessly, period. A notoriously hard event to supervise well, being either awkward or unenjoyable at many major invitationals, the supervisors knew exactly what they were doing (using syringes) and made sure each team had the same starting conditions and time to take the test. The test, too, did not disappoint. The history questions actually tested the extent of my notes and had a little on everything. After 1-40, I jumped to the last free response and was confused by the thermal conductivity question (when SA was not given?) but otherwise found them as simple problems that should be accessible to all teams, but also I did not do many free response and my partner could have been destroying the hard ones while I did 1-40. In considering the ice bonus and my heat retention, I think it could have hurt the most competitive scores because the addition of ice (O degree @ 50ml) would almost instantly lower the starting temperature to around 40 when a 38 degree inner beaker was necessary to get over 15 points with the bonus. It also lowers the denominator in the prediction score and could end up increasing error if off by the same margin. I'm looking forward to this event next year! 10/10
Details about my run: 1.85 Heat retention factor (assuming ~15 Heat retention score) and 24.8 Prediction score. 39.8/40 Build score.

Mission Possible (4): After a season filled with bombs, errors, breaks, and mission greatly underperforming, including at state, everything finally came together for nationals and, other than a timer that went a little quickly at the high altitude and 1 broken task, our mission did as well as it could have. In terms of hours, I probably spent the most time on this event, working 2-3+ hours for the first few months after deciding to pick it up in early december until the mechanics of the device were working properly. My partner pulled through, too, in making 3 PCBs for the circuit based tasks, just in case the other two were to break (of which 1 did!). The event supervisor seemed cynical as he judged but he was also knowledgeable and understood the workings behind every task. 8/10
Details about my run: 1530 points, 96s timer.

Overall, nationals was an amazing experience, from the team hiking to the post astro reflections, and I know that both I and New Trier will come back stronger next year :D
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by megrimlockawesom » May 22nd, 2018, 7:09 pm

pikachu4919 wrote:
megrimlockawesom wrote:
4Head wrote: heard u got lucky tho :?: :?: :?:
We did not. We have been consistently getting these type of distances during practices. But i didn’t expect us to place this high
Hi, I’d just like to remind you that this thread is not (necessarily) for you to vent about how you felt about your results. In case you haven’t noticed in most of the posts that have been already made, this thread is primarily for discussing how you felt about how the events were run, like what you felt was good about how it was run, and what you felt was iffy about how it was run. For example, in this case about BB, you could talk about how efficient or not impound was or how nice/scary the proctors/volunteers were or the quality of the setup.
Sorry, got a little off track and even a little Braggy, so I am really sorry about that. As for the ES, I met them at centerville, and they were both really nice so it was good to see them again.
Ok this is epic 8-)
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by qlf9 » May 22nd, 2018, 7:45 pm

Fermi Questions (32):
Previous Fermi Questions tests I had taken at Invitationals and Regionals (and, to an extent, even States), usually focused on one certain topic, so if you didn't know much about it, you were pretty much screwed. I like how this Nationals test contained questions from many different topics. The questions themselves were also quite interesting, and although I didn't place as highly as I would have liked to, I found this test one of the more fun ones I've taken in my Science Olympiad career.

Game On (32):
I did not prepare for this event in advance much at all, since I wanted to focus on my other events, so I am perfectly happy with my place in this event. This was also my first time competing in Game On, since at my state competition, Code Analysis was held, so I have nothing to compare the Nationals test to. That being said, I thought that the event was very well-organized, with the flash drives being used for submitting the game files.

Rocks and Minerals (19):
I found this test to be relatively easy for a Nationals test, since the specimens were not very hard to identify and all the information the questions asked for could have been easily found. I do think this test could have been harder to better differentiate the top teams. Although I had to guess on a few questions due to poor time management on my part, I am definitely very happy with my place.
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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by Yellowtomato98 » May 22nd, 2018, 7:52 pm

Any thoughts on Division B dp?

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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by RestingDoll » May 22nd, 2018, 8:03 pm

Hovercraft (10) It was alright. The test was on the easier side, with a couple of the fluids problems being the exception. The build however almost made me crap myself. I choked last year at nats and almost did the same thing again. There was an imperceptible bump or something just at the front of the track, and our hovercraft kept making donuts. After 4 tries I powered the fan to full and just let it run in order to get the mass score. Overall, the event was well run and well planned, with the exception of impound (see Adi's post for details). 8/10
Time of 6.54 seconds, 16 pennies.

WIDI (2) Huh. I definitely did not expect to do well after I walked out of the build room. The structure was not terribly hard, just difficult to build. The strings were difficult to maneuver (the end of mine kept fraying, and I tried for a good minute to fit the spring through it), the stuff underneath the cup kept falling over, and the protein clip wouldn't fit on my freaking tuber. In the end I gave up on the second string and called it time at 19:23. Definitely nationals level, and well worth all the time spent practicing. 10/10

MTV (3) Proctors were extremely nice and understanding. Nothing much more to be said. 10/10
Time of 7.82 seconds, 1.2 cm off target, total score of 10.22.

Mission Possible (21) I actually thought the proctors were very reasonable and understanding. Setup time could have been kept track of a little better. Unfortunately, 5 of our tasks skipped randomly, something which we'd never encountered before. 8/10

Overall, this was a perfect way to end my competing career in Science Olympiad. I'll be at Golden Gate volunteering for Division D next year.

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Re: Nationals Event Discussion

Post by DarthBuilder » May 22nd, 2018, 8:07 pm

MTV (51) overall this event was well runned. The supervisors did a good job while impounding and took two minutes to check in. It was also nice to meet Windu. The supervisors definitely knew what they were doing as I am pretty sure they were past competitors. Although, I wish we did better as our mtv did decent at state, but I must give all of my props to my partner who took time out of his day to make a new design. He kept testing consistently until the car was done and continued to do so until nationals. But what I can say is that I am going to come out much more prepared for mtv next year as this event was a learning experience and was an enjoyable event this season.
9/10

Towers (12) I enjoyed this event a lot. I loved how the ES called out our names and put our team’s name tag on the stand then called out our state. I was hoping to medal, but it is what it is. After, we had a run down of how our tower broke and why for 5 minutes or so some even longer which was awesome. Quite sad that this event is gone next year and I can say for a fact that this was my favorite event out of all 6 years doing Scioly. The next day, the ES sent me a video of our tower and I assume to all other teams of their tower which is pretty cool. As said earlier, I’m going to miss this event a lot.
10/10
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